New Dominion Rule Vote

[Boethiah]

[member="Captain Jordan"]

That was in reference to the Muti-faction PC issue. I'll keep it minimized as to not fly far off topic:

Pretty much a sound group of members feel that people shouldn't be loyal to more than one Major Faction at any one time (on a single character). People can avoid ally counts in invasions by merely clicking the join button in a Major Faction and then storming the gates that way. It's not against the rules and thus even if it was reported there wouldn't be any consequences.

So some people want to make it against the rules but so far the staff haven't because there hasn't been an acceptable method to actually enforce or manage such a rule. Checking character sheets everytime the issue pops up would be a nightmare. People use all sorts of different templates, and then it'd take extra work to see if they edit it (assuming you can see the past edits).

Again, I'll leave it at that as I don't want to stray too far from the discussion at hand. If you'd like, PM me about it if you have any questions or retorts.

 

[Captain Jordan]

[member="Anja Aj'Rou"]

Okay, I thought that was still about the dominion issue. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Tefka]

Well, I think we can call it now that this vote stands very little chance of recieving the 2/3rds majority vote that was stipulated prior, so this thread has become a discussion about the underlying problem - which is players joining multiple Major Factions and then influencing both sides or "circumventing" rules like the Aid rules in Invasions.

Still, Dominions have never been an issue with me. I actually am impressed if a Major Faction gets more non-Faction people than Faction people to do it's dirty work. Was it what I intended, being the person who wrote the rules? No. But I ain't mad. I'm impressed. Call it an unforeseen side-effect.

Invasions are my focus when it comes to multi-faction PCs. Too many people lose their figurative and literal @#$% when it comes to Invasions (because they're not in it to have fun, they're just in it to win), and asking them to calm down never works. So making the rules in that arena more fair and giving the complainers less ammo is always my goal.

 

[Boethiah]

So making the rules in that arena more fair and giving the complainers less ammo is always my goal.

Is this suggestion worth discovery? If not I'll have to dig deeper into my penny jar and see if I can't find gold.

If we were a bureaucracy we could create a committee to find members for a special committee with the sole goal of spending 6 years cutting through red tape to find an ample solution.

Couldn't we use a profile field similar to how the Character Bio shows and use that to give a show of loyalty? I realize people could just change it anytime they'd like; unless it could somehow be limited to change within X amount of days.

 

[Kei Amadis]

Do you want to encourage OOC roleplay or IC roleplay. That's the question.

OOC roleplay - people do things OOC, they plot OOC, make negotiations OOC, stick with a certain set of a roleplayers OOC

IC Roleplay their charcters do these things, they themselves are free to take part in many groups, plots and write with a variety of writers.

(People will do both, that's why I say encourage)

Invasions - So what if you are facing Sith written by me, then the next day my Jedi is helping you IC. Why does that matter. Surely that helps? This is an honest question, not a judgement, I have no idea.

Sorry if I am passionate or overly vocal about this, but I don't want you or me to lose a great place to write, or the potential for fun going forward. I will henceforth be quiet , unless specifically quoted or asked.

 

[Tefka]

Well, its a good question. The answer is OOC > IC. Everyone leans OOC. When push comes to shove, OOC always wins out.

You are not your character, you are your character's writer.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

^ A distinction that's always worth pointing out.

 

[Raziel]

Alright then, I'm not entirely convinced, but as a strawman for further discussion:

Your character may only be a member of one Major Faction and this must be displayed as one of your two official Rank Titles.

 

[Strider Garon]

Be honest, I strongly believe that a single character should only be in one Major faction and as many minor factions as he/she wishes.

I have never multi factioned this character till two weeks ago where I pressed the Join button on the republic. The only reason I have done so and encouraged the Mandalorians to follow suit is so that we don't get wiped out by the other factions that have been practicing such technique far longer then we have. If we didn't have to worry about such, 90% of the mandos would of never have thought of doing it.

 

[Reverance]

By and large, I don't know if others have the same reasoning, but the only reason I have joined other factions is so that I can comment on faction topics... I feel like that really should be taken into account.

And...at least with the One Sith, it hasn't been an issue in invasions since I started here so I'm not quite sure what the problem is. Maybe I'm just not seeing it though, as we put activity requirements in our invasion terms for those in multiple major factions wishing to join not as an ally.

 

[Isley Verd]

The logic I've followed has been like this.

I'm in more than one major faction. Out of them, time permits that one gets the majority of my attention/is my main. There's no doubt in my mind which one it is. As such, outside of that main faction's invasions, I join up as an ally. If there's not free slots, tough tits for me. If there are, yeehaw.

But yeah, I'm not hanging out in numerous factions in order to circumvent the ally rule. I doubt that every character who does so is as well.

Pretty sure the one guy who ruined chewing gum for the whole campus isn't a reflection of the campus itself. (I hope.)

 

[Captain Jordan]

Alright then, I'm not entirely convinced, but as a strawman for further discussion:

Your character may only be a member of one Major Faction and this must be displayed as one of your two official Rank Titles.

Problem: Rank titles can only be given out at 50 posts.

So, unless rank title post requirements change, I can just create a new character and join a bunch of major factions and write in any invasions there until I reach 50 posts.

Unless you're going to disallow new characters <50 posts the ability to join invasions.

 

[Raziel]

[member="Captain Jordan"]

Cf rank rules: http://starwarsrp.net/page/articles.html/_/role-play-rules/ranks-promotion-r13

Specifically Force User Ranks must be requested and displayed as one of your two official Rank Titles.*
Force User Ranks can only be approved by Staff.
*Characters under 50 posts are waived from this rule, as they can not request Rank Titles.

 

[Captain Jordan]

[member="Raziel"]

Again:

So, unless rank title post requirements change, I can just create a new character and join a bunch of major factions and write in any invasions there until I reach 50 posts.

There's very little way to police this loophole, then. I'd suggest a different manner of enforcement than rank titles.

 

[Raziel]

I could create three new characters and join three new factions and have the same effect of spamming invasions with brand new characters. 50 posts isn't the largest window of opportunity.

I think Jedi Masters and other very powerful characters and regulars being part of multiple factions is considered a greater issue. Skipping the ally rule and showing up several times.

It's a flaw, but I'm not sure it's insurmountable.

Got an alternative?

[member="Captain Jordan"]

 

[Darth Avida]

I'm going to derail this multi-faction discussion and ask people to start a new topic/poll/whatever to discuss it, as this is a discussion/poll over a dominion rule suggestion, not multi-faction PCs, not invasions, just dominions and restricting non-faction members getting involved.
[member="Captain Jordan"] [member=Raziel] [member=Isley Verd] [member=Reverance] [member=Strider Garon] [member="Kei Amadis"]

 

[Thurion Heavenshield]

This thread is actually a really good read. Lots of thought-out arguments on either side. Kudos.

 

[Reverance]

[member="Silara Kuhn"]

It's already been stated that the rule isn't going to be suggested, due to the lack of votes. As far as one can tell, this thread has been used up for its original purposes. Why create another when everyone is discussing here amiably?

 

[Aran Finn]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sure, people are going to get competitive OOCly and act like a-holes regarding Invasions, that's just a fact of life and an integral part of human nature, particularly if Writers don't get a healthy amount of sunlight and social exposure. There is no way to stop people being a-holes. They will always find new and interesting ways of circumventing the system in place to further their OOC competitive urges. Why let them ruin cool plotlines and character opportunities that come with having split loyalties just because they're immature?

I propose this:

1. Change nothing.
2. Individually, depending on how much we care, we will take note of those being a-holes
3. Then we don't have to play with them.

Genius.

 

[Captain Jordan]

[member="Raziel"]

Let Faction Admins police it? If they want to allow multi-faction characters, fine. If they don't, fine.

If it were me, I'd have a big problem (ICly) with a character who didn't fully commit their loyalty to my faction, and there's little chance they'd wind up helping a defense or attack force for an invasion. Even allied factions can turn on one another.