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Slugthrowers vs. Lightsabers...Begin!
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Kurayami Bloodborn
Drunken Savant
Here's the thing though. Verpine rounds could be stopped by armor. Even clone commandos could take aVerpine round and keep goin.
B E A C O N
Fun fact: The best anti-lightsaber weapon is a flamethrower or sonic blaster (geonosian style).
Neither are hindered by the containment field of the lightsaber and will presumably wound or kill the person behind it.
Neither are hindered by the containment field of the lightsaber and will presumably wound or kill the person behind it.
Amelia Deathman
Scientist of Death
[member="Draco Vereen"]
Your second quote makes me want to use Armor-peircing rounds specifically. Which is the point in haveing them manufactured. They peirce armor as for the containment field of a lightsaber that makes sense as to why they can be deflected. Although not all of a rapid fire weapon's rounds would be deflected by a force user. So I see the middle ground there.
Your second quote makes me want to use Armor-peircing rounds specifically. Which is the point in haveing them manufactured. They peirce armor as for the containment field of a lightsaber that makes sense as to why they can be deflected. Although not all of a rapid fire weapon's rounds would be deflected by a force user. So I see the middle ground there.
Darth Ferus
Wanderer
[member="Braith Achlys"]
Don't forget explosives.
Explosives are a NFUs best friend.
Don't forget explosives.
Explosives are a NFUs best friend.
Amelia Deathman
Scientist of Death
Raufoss round.What? Exsplosive AND Incendiary?
B E A C O N
Considering Mace Windu sliced through the warhead attached to Jango Fett's jetpack and didn't cause it to explode (during the decapitation), I'm not too sure how it would work.Amelia Deathman said:
Andras Garon
The Dark Horse
I'd agree that a lightsaber can be used to block slugthrower rounds. That said it's also dependent on the slugthrower. For instance a Scattergun/Shotgun that fires a cloud of pellets will be a lot harder to block with a lightsaber than a slug. Aside from this you also need to take rate of fire into consideration, a semi automatic weapon or one that fires in controlled bursts may well be easier to block than a weapon that is full automatic. I'd contest that even a Master Jedi, fully attuned to the force, couldn't block every round a fully automatic slugthrower with a moderate clip of 40-60 rounds in capacity fired at him.
B E A C O N
That's actually the exact projectile weapon type that is used to combat Jedi/Force users.Andras Garon said:
Anything that doesn't have a high rate of fire isn't going to be very effective, contrary to reality.
Conceited
It depends on the material of the slug. If a bullet was made out of Cortosis or Beskar, it would be highly effective. But slugs were made out of lesser metals, that held no resistance to a lightsaber. If the Jedi or Sith wielding a lightsaber went to deflect a bullet, I would argue that the bullet would be melted or destroyed, rather than deflected back to the shooter.
Blasters were better weaponry. More destructive, more potent and more devastating. Slugs were used by lower criminals, on minor planets or by sadists, who wanted to watch someone bleed. That's my take on lightsaber vs. slugthrowers.
Blasters were better weaponry. More destructive, more potent and more devastating. Slugs were used by lower criminals, on minor planets or by sadists, who wanted to watch someone bleed. That's my take on lightsaber vs. slugthrowers.
Valiens Nantaris
Head Admin
I've always seen blasters as the logical answer to a development in armour. In many ways I see it as mirroring the conflict between bows and guns on earth in the early modern period.
Slugthrowers are indeed harder the block with a lightsabre, and cannot be reflected back at all. However, they fell out of favour because unlike on SWRP, Force users were a tiny minority.
Everyone else for thousands of years was using armour 99% immune to sluggers. Blasters were evidently easier to produce, easier to use and had armour penetration that slugthrowers don't. Sluggers are certainly useful against Jedi...provided the Jedi don't wear armour. If they do, all you've done is made it likely your one lucky shot which gets past their sabre bounces off their armour!
Slugthrowers are indeed harder the block with a lightsabre, and cannot be reflected back at all. However, they fell out of favour because unlike on SWRP, Force users were a tiny minority.
Everyone else for thousands of years was using armour 99% immune to sluggers. Blasters were evidently easier to produce, easier to use and had armour penetration that slugthrowers don't. Sluggers are certainly useful against Jedi...provided the Jedi don't wear armour. If they do, all you've done is made it likely your one lucky shot which gets past their sabre bounces off their armour!
OK-3103
Captain Meneer Chrome
An abridged extract from Dynasty of Evil. In no way proof of anything, but a useful perspective (at this time Darth Bane was already resigned to being past his peak as a Sith Lord - the orbalisks having taken their toll):
"The aging process was subtle, but inescapable. Bane accepted this; what he lost in strength and speed he could easily compensate for with wisdom, knowledge, and experience. But it was not age that was to blame for the involuntary tremor that sometimes afflicted his left hand.
...
A shadow passed over one of the twin moons; a dark cloud heavy with the threat of a fierce storm.
...
Feeling a blast of cold wind blow in, he crouched low and opened himself up to the Force, letting it flow through him. Drawing on it to extend his awareness out to encompass each individual bead of rain as it fell from the sky, he resolved not to let a single drop touch his exposed flesh. He could sense the power of the dark side building inside him. It began, as it always did, with a faint spark, a tiny flicker of light and heat. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed.
As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts. The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses.
For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Breathing hard, Bane extinguished his lightsaber. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh."
Not anywhere near as fast as a slug-thrower, but to intercept EVERY drop of rain in a driving storm for ten minutes? Pretty impressive, no?
"The aging process was subtle, but inescapable. Bane accepted this; what he lost in strength and speed he could easily compensate for with wisdom, knowledge, and experience. But it was not age that was to blame for the involuntary tremor that sometimes afflicted his left hand.
...
A shadow passed over one of the twin moons; a dark cloud heavy with the threat of a fierce storm.
...
Feeling a blast of cold wind blow in, he crouched low and opened himself up to the Force, letting it flow through him. Drawing on it to extend his awareness out to encompass each individual bead of rain as it fell from the sky, he resolved not to let a single drop touch his exposed flesh. He could sense the power of the dark side building inside him. It began, as it always did, with a faint spark, a tiny flicker of light and heat. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed.
As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts. The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses.
For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Breathing hard, Bane extinguished his lightsaber. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh."
Not anywhere near as fast as a slug-thrower, but to intercept EVERY drop of rain in a driving storm for ten minutes? Pretty impressive, no?
Viru Lentus
Character
[member="OK-3103"]
But that was Darth Bane. One of the most powerful Sith overall considering the feats he was able to accomplish. How many characters on here could match Darth Bane? (I'm scared of the answer)
But that was Darth Bane. One of the most powerful Sith overall considering the feats he was able to accomplish. How many characters on here could match Darth Bane? (I'm scared of the answer)
Harmon Tardai
Member
[member="Viru Lentus"]
That depends on the writer, I would place a bet that some would spank the pants off of Bane, and not all in the kinky way.
That depends on the writer, I would place a bet that some would spank the pants off of Bane, and not all in the kinky way.
Arlan Zy'rosh
Redemption. Duty. Honor.
When talking about anything not defined by canon it's hard to say what would be fact or fiction. From Legends we gather that slugthrower rounds are much harder to block and redirect with a Lightsaber than a blaster bolt, but applying that to a Role-Play would be a rare sight. Most all writers, both FU and NFU, suffer from the protagonist complex and immediately compare their own character to an established canon one when called into doubt.
"Yoda did so and so, that means I can to!"
"General Grevious could, so can I!"
Maybe things like that aren't always stated, but when a writer is questioned you can bet they are thought. So that leaves us with problems like this one. Can a Lightsaber block a slug round?
Personally, if it were my FU character, I would say I could not block nor deflect. Let's not pretend that FU's don't have tons of advantages already. It'd just be a dick move to take away a boon as small as this one from those brave enough to play NFU'S in a space wizard majority galaxy.
"Yoda did so and so, that means I can to!"
"General Grevious could, so can I!"
Maybe things like that aren't always stated, but when a writer is questioned you can bet they are thought. So that leaves us with problems like this one. Can a Lightsaber block a slug round?
Personally, if it were my FU character, I would say I could not block nor deflect. Let's not pretend that FU's don't have tons of advantages already. It'd just be a dick move to take away a boon as small as this one from those brave enough to play NFU'S in a space wizard majority galaxy.
Amelia Deathman
Scientist of Death
[member="November Sinclair"]
So very much this. That's why Amelia has access to the big guns. Hell thats why she made them acessable to everyone!
[member="Braith Achlys"]
The Raufoss round is meant to trigger when it comes into contact with a surface, thus when it comes into contact with the containment field of a lightsaber it will trigger the round. Least thats what I am getting at. It's also a .50 caliber round so there is that stopping power too.
So very much this. That's why Amelia has access to the big guns. Hell thats why she made them acessable to everyone!
[member="Braith Achlys"]
The Raufoss round is meant to trigger when it comes into contact with a surface, thus when it comes into contact with the containment field of a lightsaber it will trigger the round. Least thats what I am getting at. It's also a .50 caliber round so there is that stopping power too.
Gilamar Skirata
The most important step is always the next one
That moment when you realize that Stormtrooper armor is super OP and that Han Solo probably didn't kill all those stormtroopersDraco Vereen said:
