Interest check: The Sith Empire

[Jeron Verity]

[member="Lord Sebastian"]


Major Faction?

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Minor Faction?

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[Galatea Raste]

[member="Darth Ayra"]
At present there are too many Lords in the voices and hands, and not enough active ones who aren't voices or hands, to overthrow them. Strictly speaking, we'd be slaughtered for trying.

Though I would love to try.

Also not sure about the Sith Empire. Galatea would fit best in it, but I don't know that it would survive.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Let's never go back to those dark days.

That's like regressing from modern day to the 1500s

 

[Aram Kalast]

Problem with anything labeled 'Empire' is that unless it has Major Status it just doesn't seem right.

 

[Coren Starchaser]

Kick it up and start it up!
I can use more targets.

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Galatea Raste"]

Tried it once as [member="Vilox Pazela"]. I took a Herglic to the face. It did not go well. The characters never really recovered since.

 

[Darth Prazutis]

[member="Darth Vornskr"] Is right

In reality the Sith Empire is most akin to the Fascist Governments or *possibly* the Roman Empire. The second it stopped conquering it fell apart, and the Old Empire didn't really even do that. It's an outdated system, there's a reason that Darth Bane wiped out the Sith to form a new order years ago, infighting and power hungry Sith Lords are the reason the Sith fall from power so easily.

Bringing the Empire back in my opinion is a cool idea, but it's like regressing in history. You can only go forward.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Darth Ayra"] and I tried to save you from that, by sending you to the naughty step.

That was a great thread

I think I brought your coffin in as well

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="sabrina"]

If it's any consolidation, in the other RPG I transferred the character from, in that same exact situation, I probably would have won. (Game mechanics differentiate between there and Chaos)

 

[sabrina]

[member="Darth Ayra"] I still think the naughty step was your best option, that was one of my favourite threads I was in. It was really god being part of a small yet highly power full sith group, shame it got so big unwieldy, and began killing people for sake of it.

 

[Dezoti]

Heh. Civil Wars in the OS.

It's a blooming idea. If I had more time, I would have pursued it more with Ferus. Recruitment of other Sith, utilizing the positions of power that he could get. Paranoia. It was all pretty fun stuff.

But I doubt the OS will ever do that. Why? Because the FA already said they wouldn't.

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Krest"]

Never quite understood the OOC aspect regarding the politics in this website. If your character- particularly a Sith Lord- wants something, then why should it matter what other people think about it? It's why invasions drive be barmy. Lack of planning, lack of real story and the PvP is normally horrible.

 

[Harmon Tardai]

I say focus on the story. If you have an idea you want to start up, and you have some dedicated writers who want to help, I say go for it.

The only bad thing that can happen from trying it, is that the idea sputters and dies after kicking a hornets nest.

The only thing that happens from not trying something is that nothing happens.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Krest"] the fa can't stop you, if you wanted to. As all you have to do is make a rebel sith faction, be active in raids and attacks on them, then become major and invade.

 

[Dezoti]

[member="sabrina"]

The FA can't stop you, no. But it would be far more fun if they chose to write with you, instead of trying to ignore it.

Not that they have done that. They just don't want a Civil War, given the new positions, new enemies, etc. It would be rather mean to just up and try to make one now.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Krest"] true it is, and not disagreeing with you I am just saying the final choice is always with the membership.
Also is that not the time sith always turn on each other, just when they have proved them selves all powerful?

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Krest"]

The current climate, given the pressure from the Galactic Alliance and the fact that the Galactic Republic refuses to die, is a perfect time to strike. But I digress.

 

[Dezoti]

[member="sabrina"]
[member="Darth Ayra"]

The Sith have done that so many times in the past that it's pretty believable the Sith wouldn't up and try to take over something that's in danger from an outside source.

Ferus's belief, when he was alive, was that it was better to wait to take over and bite his tongue than to split the order and watch it all crumble. Should the system fail however, it's far easier to topple and replace with a new one.

 

[Caius Flavian]

[member="Niall OOC"]

Here here to that good sir, well said!

[member="Lord Sebastian"] as it appears there are multiple avenues to this road. it could be long term it could be short and fast build up.

You can gather a group of like minded folk and start up a faction. My only suggestion is to get those dedicated writers together and build the story/narrative first before going forward. This way you are both dedicated In Character and Out of Character together to form this new Sith Faction.

I suggest a note can be made from the writer of [member="Darth Ayra"] / [member="Alicia Drey"] and pretty much network a vast alliance of contacts and people so that you always have a power base. This can be delegated IC through the faction's members to do and thus over time.

Or you can fast and hard, ramp up recruitment and fly for that major status.

I say go for it, use all the resources and wit that your character can amass and make those In character narratives that make a lasting impression for those writers you find willing!

I would be interested but I'm not much of a force user type of roleplayer to go Sith and have to many characters as is.
That being said war is war and allies and enemies can be made just about everywhere!

Best of luck! I hope you find acolytes and such to this idea!

[member="Aram Kalast"]
Problem with anything labeled 'Empire' is that unless it has Major Status it just doesn't seem right.
[member="Alric Kuhn"]
However making it effective as a major faction would be very very difficult, and having a minor faction called the Sith Empire is a bit silly isn't it ?

True in some ways of just OOC perspective.
Titles are simply titles.
Its all genuinely semantics and a lot of people read to much into things or read to little.
I'll take my ghost town of a faction the Galactic Empire for example. The only reasoning for its namesake is because we had established In character a long time ago (not really a long time ago, just slightly over a year and a few months) that we were a continuation of the previous iterations of Imperial Governments.
The Galactic Empire was name of that government. Although we trace the lineage of our faction from the earliest days of the original to the Fel Empire, and then all the previous Imperial factions prior to the founding of the GE (Granted it was initially the Imperial Remnant as the faction name but IC referred to ourselves as the Galactic Empire), we had went major then fell into minor due to a number of issues.
Similar to the United States of America, its a title, but is it really the United States of America? Mexico and Canada are part of the America's but are not territoriality part of the USA. There are over 30 plus nations (factions if we want to look at it that way) in South America and the Caribbean.
The USA is a government with sovereignty over its respective territories which calls itself the United States of America when it only owns a moderate portion of the actual territory.
Most of roleplay reflects real world events that have occurred because we base a lot of our stories off of events based.
World II is a great example of territory based factions. Look at the French Third Republic. After being invaded by the Axis (primarily Germany) the French Third Republic fell with two "factions" forming the Fighting France (Free French) and the Vichy Republic. Both claimed to be the continuation of the FTR and in the long run reformed into the French Fourth Republic. Both claimed to be the provisional governments of the FTR's colonial territories.
History being nothing more than a series of narratives of constant change.
You can see that it the same regards to the number of "Rebel" factions from The Underground to the Rebel Alliance and all the little minor factions in between.

Hell a great Star Wars example (non canon Legends now) is the Fel Empire and Krayt Empire. When the OS took power the Fel Dynasty went into exile. Both were claimants of being the Galactic Empire.
However on this board I find it just as funny that we would debase the thought of a faction's title when the One Sith was a force user religious organization that on this board it is the faction title of a territorial faction which owns swathes of the map. The Galactic republic as a faction finally split its religous force user organization apart form its national organization entity. The Jedi Order is its own Minor faction.

Out of Character the Title of the faction is simply the announced intention of the desired star wars portrayal. The Hut Cartel for example immediately evokes Hutt space, to the Movie centric star wars fan they think of Phantom Menace, A new Hope, Return of the Jedi. Bounty hunters and brutal slug worm.

The First Order evokes the new Canon style of the after math of Return of the Jedi, the "remnants"
The Out of character intent as made by its writers (the Disney overlords, mwuahaha...) took the inspiration that originally built up the Empire.
Nazism
Fascism
Racism
Militarism

Now the real world elements of all that could be found in most in if not every modern society and of course historical examples abound.
Think of the neo nazi organizations that dot the USA. Minor factions so to speak but each of the claim lineage from the organization that took power over a nation. Similar to that of Sith.

The story and narrative in what drives roleplay after all so the Out of Character intent should ideally reflect these things.
A good example is the Roche incident where a story blossomed out of the chaos of that invasion form the result of a fairly interesting story and plot.

[member="Darth Vornskr"]
[member="Braxus Zambrano"]
[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

One could debate the fall of the SPQR forever. Some say it fell around 480AD others contend it fell in the 1400s.
Multiple points throughout the SPQR's history of "Emperors" changing. We look at that era of history through our modern western interpretation of that era but we truly have little clue on what really happened and simply have a great number of anglo/american portrayals of those times (ie. Rome TV show, Gladiator, etc etc) and historians that help shed light on those times.
That is what drives history forward and what has given us that rich tapestry from which creative story telling draws most of its majesty coupled with science fiction and voila we have people running around with laser swords fighting each other like samurai while wielding mind powers.
Hilarious to consider the Sith Empire as though one would be jumping back to a lesser era. In all reality we are what IC nearly 700 years after the non-canon legends Darth Krayt's One Sith? Sith Empire is what just four thousand years ago at most? Are not most nations these days based on models of the past? Such as the Greeks, Romans, and others. So isn't the One Sith just doing the same thing with only difference being the arbitrary dates of existence and the current era where the basis for things is that we had a galactic dark age and revival of previous technologies?
What honestly really separates the current iteration of Sith In Character from the previous non-canon/canon iterations? Just the rules and organization correct? Its not like there is a separate code you all follow that is different from the original Sith Code unless I'm completely mistaken?
There are dozens of Sith factions that are minor, from assassins to other attempts at "Empire"/territorial focused factions.
The activity is of course based on the writers want and desire to dedicate the time to them.
What honestly is profound is the mentality of factions here and hyper-desires that come with it and how narrow minded or open minded some are to new ideas or retrying of ideas from before.
Canon wise is there not an entire era of Sith Empire's that had great success?
Realistically the site's One Sith faction has been around In Character for how long?

What is most surprising is the put down of the idea. Although some did so with beautiful tact and critique others did so on what borders as simple rudeness.

We've had a number of sith start up factions over the last year or so.
Its really applicable though to all the different factions
From Light side force user factions
From republic/alliance/"good guy" factions
From CIS/TradeFed/Confed/droid factions
From Dark side force user factions
From Imperial factions
From mando factions

We saw that with the rise of the Red Ravens,
We saw that with the rise of Primeval
And many others.
Yes there are those who are still around with success in many ways ie One Sith, Republic, Silver Sanctum, and perhaps those models to follow in terms of out of character leadership and organization.


What difference should it honestly make if someone desires to write with others and find others?

 

[Darth Carnifex]

When I spoke of the Sith Empire, I meant the Sith Empire that was present earlier in this site's history of which I was an ever present member of. I was even the Emperor of the Empire at one time, and I could plainly see the flaws that crippled it to the degree that it was mere child's play to dismantle it utterly.

Going back to that Rule by Might ideology is a step in the wrong direction for the Sith, no matter how hard the die-hard traditionalists may screech and wail and wave their banners around.

[member="Caius Flavian"]