Interest check: The Sith Empire

[Darth Vaildra]

I have wanted to see the Sith Enpire return to this board for about two years now. I wanted to see who is actually interested in this idea and what it would look like to them.

The reason I believe it should return is for two reasons. At the moment there is really only one major option for Sith and that is the One Sith. They have an follow the philosophy of Darth Krayt which is good, but why not have another one? The Sith Empire would follow more of the SWTOR philosophy. Lords fighting among each other in the shadows, acolytes doing the same and trying to kill the competition. While RP wise I wouldn't want a lot of actual PC killing as people work hard on their characters, but the threat is there and attempts sound fun.

Second reason is this site called Chaos needs more... Chaos and what doesn't scream that then two dark lords fighting for the Galaxy? I am compeletly open to ideas and even critics of my ideas. I have just sat on this too long and it is time to actually see if this bird can fly.

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Lord Sebastian"]

There is another Sith Empire, only it is called the Jen'ari Empire. Perhaps you could conquer and turn it into your own? I am unsure if [member="Darth Vyrassu"] and the original people involved in that little project are still around, but there is definitely room for expansion.

 

[Jen]

I'm not very familiar with the One Sith. But is it not possible to start conspiring against fellow sith, and thereby creating this sort of environment within the faction itself? Without having to create an entirely new sith empire? I'm mostly asking out of curiosity.

[member="Lord Sebastian"]

 

[Lief]

 

[sabrina]

[member="Lord Sebastian"] There are quite a few around already, why not see which one you prefer, and then join that one.

 

[Lief]

hassecretlybeenwaitingforthisreturnsincethedaybeforetheEmpirefell

 

[sabrina]

hassecretlybeenwaitingforthisreturnsincethedaybeforetheEmpirefell

I can`t help laughing at this

 

[Lief]

[member="Darth Ayra"]

The Jen'ari are inactive, the FO hasn't been seen in over a month

 

[Alric Kuhn]

Concurrent faction that pitch to the same member base tend not to work out in the long run.

A good example of this was actually presented early on with the Competition between the New Order and the One Sith. When the One Sith first became a Major Faction there was another Sith Faction called the New Order that ran on the same models as the very early on Sith Empire. However, the factions basically pitched to the same basis of members, that being Sith. In my own opinion the One Sith succeeded because they managed to grab a huge amount of initial momentum with conquering Coruscant, this eventually made the faction more and more popular and thus more people who wanted to write Sith went to the One Sith instead of the New Order.

It's very difficult to have two Major Factions who are at their core, searching for the exact same members. Generally the faction that has the most momentum wins out because more people want to write for that faction.

In regards to this idea? I don't see it working out unless the One Sith begins to die.

Why? Because people already see the One Sith existing, they see a system that works, that has conquered half the galaxy, practically beaten the Republic and has survived for over a year. They have the weight of history and success on their side. It would be difficult to steal their member base, more difficult to pull new members into your faction because of the reasons I stated above.

Basically, you're fighting an uphill battle, and it is a very steep hill.

 

[Lief]

But the One Sith are all wrong, Chrissykins

I joke, but as someone who's struggled to get into the One Sith with her main Sithling, I can empathise with the desire to have another option away from them. It's not that the One Sith aren't a good Faction, I'm even beginning to get into them with a lesser alt, but when their ideals don't match those of your Sith (I had this issue with Kära) there's not really many other options, especially with the Fringe gone too.

From a purely writer standpoint, I personally would love to see another Sith Faction outside of the OS that isn't all based around shadows.

WITH THAT SAID

There is the First Order. They may not be "Sith" but they do have their Knights of Ren which are Darksiders.

Still, I can't say I don't miss the Sith Ideals I'm used to.

Sighs wistfully

(Changed which alt I used, so this doesn't look like an admin/staff discussion. Purely writer based xo )

 

[Alric Kuhn]

[member="Kyra Sol"]

My post wasn't about the idea that the One Sith are "The Best Sith Faction", nor do I actually believe that. The One Sith are not my idea of actual Sith, even though I created them here on the board.

The One Sith were created to counter the exact same problem here on the board that the Sith had in Star Wars Canon, the constant infighting and attempt at supremacy. By it's very nature the One Sith were created to counter what makes Sith, Sith(at least in my eyes). This was done because even here on the board it became very apparent to myself and my fellow founders that...well Sith tended to fight among themselves a lot. That infighting made it more difficult for people to cooperate and actually get anything done in a grand scheme.

The Sith Empire for instance made absolutely zero progress in invading any Faction ever except for the Mandalorians in their first few months of existence(which said conquered territory was later returned in negotiations). The Sith Empire never once really harmed the Republic, never once really harmed any faction actually. That was because people were more focused on their own glory, power, and storylines. Now that's fine of course, I love doing that and Still do it(coughcompaniescough) but it does not make for a very effective faction if you want to be conquerors.

So what happens when you do something else? When you curb the infighting and band together to fight a single opponent under a single unquestionable and challengable leader? It goes really, really, well.

My proof of this? Look at what the Republic did without a senate under [member="Selena Halcyon"]. Look at the One Sith's track record. It goes fantastic.

Now, do I like the idea of a Sith Empire? Absolutely. Do I think it's sustainable as an effective Sith Faction? Not really. I think eventually it will always fall to the same problems that the first one did. More so, starting a Sith Empire when there's already a very powerful Sith Faction on the board? Forget about it. As I stated in my first post you're essentially going against the current, the very powerful and successful current.

Though, that's not to say you can't try it, these are just my personal opinions as someone whose been through the wheelhouse.

 

[Connor Harrison]

As the OS are the "big Dark Side" faction and the Republic the "big Light Side" faction currently, don't both "sides" have the opportunity for splinter Factions, be it Major or Minor?

Dark always strives for Dark, Light always strives for Light. However it's the way they do it and how writers write it that helps other Factions come about.

Some could say the Galactic Alliance is too much like the Republic at first look, but when you see inside it's presented very differently for writers wanting to do the Light Side thing, but not necessarily in the Republic way. Jedi, pilots, spies, all in both Factions but writers do them differently.

I think another Sith Faction, Major or Minor, with the right dedication and support, could be a welcome asset to the Dark Side Faction and take some pressure off the One Sith. Not like this is a competition to be the biggest, baddest, highest map controlling side ever, but the Sith Empire may have writers or characters who IC/OOC can't fit into the way the One Sith works and simply want to do it a little differently, while still aiming for that unified "Dark" goal.

It's not why you do it, but how you get there, so I think a few more Sith/Dark factions would be interesting to see, because the Jedi/Light factions are certainly not clashing but providing lots of fresh ideas and supporting new writers who may feel intimidated in larger current Factions.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

The Sith Empire fell for a reason - year of the 6 emperors anyone? Let it stay dead.

 

[Lief]

My post wasn't about the idea that the One Sith are "The Best Sith Faction", nor do I actually believe that. The One Sith are not my idea of actual Sith, even though I created them here on the board.

I wasn't stating that you thought this I understand how effective the One Sith are, and I'm not trying to downplay this. <3

I just miss the Empire for what it was, I felt like I understood it and my characters could connect with it for that reason. A Sith Faction without a bit of inner strife doesn't appeal to me on a personal level, in my eyes it feels stagnant.

Fighting against the grain is difficult: we do have two Lightside/Jedi Factions, but I feel as if the Sanctum rose from some of the Republics inadequacies. I'm not saying the Republic isn't any good, or that the Sanctum is better, but people saw that x or y wasn't working for them and they made something of it.

I don't think that a new Sith Faction would tempt much of the current Sith Member base, they're used to the OS by now, but it could work with future characters in mind. Or even some who remember the Empire fondly.

Since this is an interest check, I'd definitely colour myself interested. The Empire will always have a little piece of my Chaos-Heart.

(Changed which alt I used, so this doesn't look like an admin/staff discussion. Purely writer based xo )

 

[Alric Kuhn]

[member="Kyra Sol"]

Ya, and as I said If you want to try it, it should be tried.

However making it effective as a major faction would be very very difficult, and having a minor faction called the Sith Empire is a bit silly isn't it ?

 

[Lief]

[member="Alric Kuhn"]

Could always call it the Sith Order

remembers back to those days. Sighs wistfully again.

Okay now I miss the Sith Order too xD

 

[Disciple]

this board is made of silly

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Alric Kuhn"]

The One Sith only seized Coruscant because the staff gave the faction the support to do it in the early goings, and if I remember correctly, there was a lot of outside pressure for the GR to fold and allow the OS to claim the victory, because of the sheer size of the GR at the time. That it was such a huge ask for the OS to continue the momentum the staff helped them achieve, because it was more likely at the time that the GR and it's 100+ Jedi were going to lolstomp them.

Almost two years on and the OS are just slowing down. As one of the people involved with the New Order, I wished it had been done differently because the status of the roleplay would be significantly different. At least with the Galactic Alliance, there seems to be a rise for the good guys, giving the RPG back some competitiveness. It's been pretty stale for the past year.

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Ayvari Dorian"]

It is stagnant, for there to be no competition among the OS. That isn't the OS leaderships problem. None of the Sith involved in the faction are brave enough to try and seize anything because there is a palpable fear that the leadership would lolstomp them. I don't happen to think that is the case, but even if it were, I've never understood why nobody has ever tried to build their own stable IC in order to oppose the Voices, Hands etc.

 

[Vrag]

I've never understood why nobody has ever tried to build their own stable IC in order to oppose the Voices, Hands etc.

Sure they did.