Question How would you feel if your character had a bounty placed on them?

[Csariden]

Is the implication that every thread that doesn't have the Prefix "Private" fair game?

What's to stop a series of independent bounty hunters disrupting a faction thread, or a mission thread?

Are dominions not Faction+invite threads? Or are Faction threads not actually limited to faction+invite?

I was under the impression that only really Public, Bounty, and First-reply prefixes were generally fair game.

Because I have personally written bounties meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek to provide disruptive IC roleplay, but if people use it as an excuse to go after the target faction's treads just to enter and steal speeders, vandalize property, and harass anyone with the bounty toggle on, this half joke bounty turns into an actual call for harassment.

 

[Tefka]

My intent in using the word disruptive was to delineate between bad faith and good faith bounty hunters. But it depends on where we stand in regards to the purpose of the Open RP section on whether joining a dominion for a hunt is disruptive.

I would not say it's disruptive if the expectation going into an Open RP thread is that unplanned situations can and will occur. There are specific prefixes (private, duel, faction, first reply) to mark a thread invite-only if that type of spontaneous storytelling isn't desired.

If I want to tell a specific story without the chance for unplanned situations, then I use one of those prefixes. If I'm not using those prefixes, a writer joining my story is just part of the RP.

Please dont use the word delineate when speaking to me

 

[Kurayami Bloodborn]

Hot take. You want to hunt a bounty make a thread with the bounty tag. Period. Its there use it.

 

[Soundwave]

Wild and perhaps novel concept, but maybe just highlight the fact that your character is wanted but not toggle the bounty on if you don't want a player coming after you if being "Wanted' is such a critical part of your character's background. Otherwise don't turn it on.

If another writer puts a bounty on you, and you don't have the toggle on, then yeah, sure force it to be a private thread that you have to do the hunt through if the bounty target is open to getting hit, but otherwise I think it's fair game for someone to be hit in any public thread if they got the toggle on.

If you got the toggle on going into a faction thread, then that's on you the writer for letting someone come in to do their job and disrupt a narrative in favor of getting hunted.

 

[Tefka]

but if people use it as an excuse to go after the target faction's treads just to enter and steal speeders, vandalize property, and harass anyone with the bounty toggle on, this half joke bounty turns into an actual call for harassment

I would laugh at the absurdity of this claim if I hadn’t seent it happen time and time again throughout my legendary non-egoist heroic time as admin here

 

[Csariden]

If you got the toggle on going into a faction thread, then that's on you the writer for letting someone come in to do their job and disrupt a narrative in favor of getting hunted.

So if I were to jump into every Operation Cinder faction thread in an attempt to kill Darth Solipsis because his toggle is on and I put a bounty out as he was head of a faction that ran an annihilation years before I even joined, it would be his fault for leaving the toggle on?

I would think that counts as disruptive and entirely my fault for instigating, no?

To be clear I don't want to do that, I use this character as an example because it's a perfect case where a fixated person on a Crashout course could pretty much directly harass people because of a setting they probably forgot existed two days after making the character.

 

[Mauve]

harass anyone with the bounty toggle on, this half joke bounty turns into an actual call for harassment.

The nice thing is the toggle has an off button. No longer having fun? Toggle off.

 

[Razmir Tezhyn]

Is the implication that every thread that doesn't have the Prefix "Private" fair game?

What's to stop a series of independent bounty hunters disrupting a faction thread, or a mission thread?

Are dominions not Faction+invite threads? Or are Faction threads not actually limited to faction+invite?

1. That would be a good clarification to have. Does the Bounty Toggle allow you to jump into non-private threads that are supposed to be invite only?

Select "yes" if you wish for Bounty Hunters to be able to invade your threads not labeled "private".

From the bounty toggle text
Affected prefixes that are invite only or require a request to join: First Reply, Duels, Faction, Invasion.

Rules as written, that would seem to be the case.

2. That's a good question actually. I'd hope Admins and RPJs would be able to intervene in a situation where it becomes explicitly to harrass. If the Bounty Toggle dies because of the fear of abuse and bad actors, then it be how it do I guess.

3. No. The Dominion prefix is separate from the Faction prefix

Dominions are threads used to gain new, unoccupied planets by a faction. Only a faction leader may initiate a Dominion.

From the USING PREFIXES thread

 

[Razmir Tezhyn]

Please dont use the word delineate when speaking to me

Heard! I will refrain from doing so in the future.

 

[Csariden]

The nice thing is the toggle has an off button. No longer having fun? Toggle off.

If it was a de facto meaningless toggle for years and it suddenly invites consent, perhaps a refresh of everyone settings, or a heads up to people not tracking this conversation would be in order.

It should be an opt-in system, and if the goalposts are moved with clarification, did the original toggle consent to this update?

Judging by how often terms and condition updates pop up and one has to accept the changes, I'm thinking maybe that should be taken into consideration.

 

[Koda Fett]

Lazy and have not read all replies.

Here's how this will go: open thread is made, PC posts and has their back and forth with other PC, BH PC sees this and goes all GRAAGH and now the thread is a PVP bomb, where the initial two PCs just stop replying. BHs having their own independent third party slot for invasions and whatever is a neat concept but it all just comes back to needing communication between writers.

 

[Tefka]

Heard! I will refrain from doing so in the future.

Please remove refrain as well I dont like that one either

 

[Csariden]

No. The Dominion prefix is separate from the Faction prefix

From the faction war rules page for dominions:

• Dominions allow Major Factions to claim entire hexes without direct competition from other factions.
• A Dominion counts as a Player Vs Environment (PvE) thread
• Other Major or Minor Factions may not interfere with a Dominion thread. They may participate as In-Character aid or opposition with the approval of the Faction Admins/Owner of the Major Faction undertaking the Dominion

We would be establishing a precedent where individuals may be excluded from this rule for Bounties. One person with an OOC grudge can simply write their own bounty and then muddle a dominion to their heart's content, just because they don't act in the name of a faction.

 

[Soundwave]

Csariden

I mean if you want to deal with everyone that's within the proximity of them, then go for it I say. Writing a BH still means you gotta be able to be smart about chasing your bounty, so if you think you can go after a high threat level Sith Lord and probably a half dozen underlings at the very least, then by all means you do you boo.

The simple solution to this is don't toggle your bounty if you don't want to get hunted/have your stuff disrupted.

 

[Koda Fett]

Csariden

I mean if you want to deal with everyone that's within the proximity of them, then go for it I say. Writing a BH still means you gotta be able to be smart about chasing your bounty, so if you think you can go after a high threat level Sith Lord and probably a half dozen underlings at the very least, then by all means you do you boo.

The simple solution to this is don't toggle your bounty if you don't want to get hunted/have your stuff disrupted.

I think the idea at the moment is BH toggle is in and that means ask me about it and we can set something up, rather than just jump me in the next thread you see me in. So some rules around BHs would definitely help clear this up.

I am different and special, however. Mine is on because I want you to kill me.

 

[Csariden]

Csariden

I mean if you want to deal with everyone that's within the proximity of them, then go for it I say. Writing a BH still means you gotta be able to be smart about chasing your bounty, so if you think you can go after a high threat level Sith Lord and probably a half dozen underlings at the very least, then by all means you do you boo.

The simple solution to this is don't toggle your bounty if you don't want to get hunted/have your stuff disrupted.

/dodge left

But actually though, I do think we're just injecting shortcuts for the type who don't play nice/who would actually do something like this.

I think the idea at the moment is BH toggle is in and that means ask me about it and we can set something up, rather than just jump me in the next thread you see me in. So some rules around BHs would definitely help clear this up.

That was what I thought was the norm was as well – like an "I am open to being approached to set up a BH conflict toggle"

Like a "DM's are open" flag kind of thing

 

[Kurayami Bloodborn]

Csariden

I mean if you want to deal with everyone that's within the proximity of them, then go for it I say. Writing a BH still means you gotta be able to be smart about chasing your bounty, so if you think you can go after a high threat level Sith Lord and probably a half dozen underlings at the very least, then by all means you do you boo.

The simple solution to this is don't toggle your bounty if you don't want to get hunted/have your stuff disrupted.

Even easier solution? Ask your target. You know, collaborate. Set up a thread with the bounty tag that is hardly used. Maybe do that as a surprise if talking to oters is so anathema. They will or wont reply to you. But at least the other threads are still left alone and uninterrupted.

 

[Koda Fett]

That was what I thought was the norm was as well – like an "I am open to being approached to set up a BH conflict toggle"

Like a "DM's are open" flag kind of thing

I think that's how it kind of is now, but it might not have been when it was first made. I can't remember exactly. I think if you have it on, you should just be open to getting jumped. There's basic etiquette of communication, yeah, but sometimes you get jumped.

 

[Csariden]

I think that's how it kind of is now, but it might not have been when it was first made. I can't remember exactly. I think if you have it on, you should just be open to getting jumped. There's basic etiquette of communication, yeah, but sometimes you get jumped.

The polls in the suggestion thread seem to imply we're in the minority, unless I am misreading something.
Thread 'Write rules protecting Bounty Hunters invading Dominion threads without faction permission' https://www.starwarsrp.net/threads/...on-threads-without-faction-permission.196015/

 

[Razmir Tezhyn]

From the faction war rules page for dominions:

• Dominions allow Major Factions to claim entire hexes without direct competition from other factions.
• A Dominion counts as a Player Vs Environment (PvE) thread
• Other Major or Minor Factions may not interfere with a Dominion thread. They may participate as In-Character aid or opposition with the approval of the Faction Admins/Owner of the Major Faction undertaking the Dominion

We would be establishing a precedent where individuals may be excluded from this rule for Bounties. One person with an OOC grudge can simply write their own bounty and then muddle a dominion to their heart's content, just because they don't act in the name of a faction.

I'm with you on the concerns. I would hate to see the system abused in that way. I feel like it may be a jump to say they'd be able to do it to their heart's content. Attacking threads for the purpose of harassment is rule-breaking behaviour (General rule 4). Site staff should be there to intervene in an instance where the Bounty system is being abused to facilitate harassment of a writer or faction.