Disclaimer on the Gen move vs companies.

[Mantic Dorn]

Hey all,

First, someone was worried that I would take things personal. Dont worry. This is OOC and me doing what I consider my "job" as FA.
Its what I signed up for and nothing that I feel uncofortable with.

I'll happily continue RP with folks who disagree with me on ooc matters like this. I dont feel bullied either. Thanks for the general concern though

But back on track,
What seem to be a mistake is that the GR intends to ignore the RP. It is not. This is important, we are not saying Gens move for power did not hapoen, nor are we saying you cant invade us or create skirmishes.

What we are saying is that while gen sure threw the GR into a rollercoster of turmoil, her power base never took off as it was ooc intended. It did not take off because the GR adjusted its RP to the community RP that wanted to be part of it.
But now when the GR are adjusting its ic approach to this all, no one has paid attention to it.
We have lots of great RPers who are running with this plot but since we chosed to run with the flow I would think that all theads should be taken into account.

Gen never got to do much else before the jedi grand master took her in. Organa declared her traitor and the GR goverment sided with Organa.

Its just being missed or ignored that Gens order to seize all companies never was carried out.
I think this is happening much yo that the bulk of GR writers are not responding as fast as many outside of the faction did.

Hence, from a GR persoective no companies were actually seized. No republic officials beside her rapidly diminishing clone army on Chazwa is under her control.

So, I am not telling people to stop following the plot but rather respect all aspects of, even the GR one.
But if you are interested in taken the GR aspect into consideration you need to give us some RL time.

IC facts.
1. Gen has been declared traitor[/url] and the temporary leadership if the GR (Organa) has asked the companies to stay calm and that they will be compensated for any nuissance.
2. The grand master and Gen is RPing out the end of Gens power[/ur], albeit RL it is taking some time.

We have not gotten further in the plot because
1. Its the holidays, folk are doing other stuff
2. The Red Dawn plot creators (including Gen herself) has not posted in a few days.

So we are ICly falling behind due to RL reasons. This is simply a "normal" forum writing issue where one side of a plot goes ahead without waiting on the counterpart to respond in between. Albeit on a massive scale. I would say it is common sense to allow all writers in a plot time to catch up. And is not the GR pretty central to this whole thing. Please, play with us but accept that we are writing in a slow pace.

It is because of this I made this disclaimer and did not call for a RP-judge directly. I hoped folks would think, "alright lets hold a while and give them a chance to see their end of it all through."
Which is hard to do fast since we are missing key writers at the moment.
So, without asking anyone to stop RPing I urge you to consider that the GR officials, nor its army is under Gens control.

 

[Isamu Baelor]

Its just being missed or ignored that Gens order to seize all companies never was carried out.

You don't seem to understand. That is irrelevant.

Your organization has made a threat and the companies are reacting accordingly.

It doesn't matter who was at the helm. Before or after.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

What I've learned from this thread is that I can get away with anything if I believe I didn't do it hard enough.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

The mines and production facilities of those companies who abandoned--the likes of Tenloss--WERE immediately secured by Republic forces and evaluated for recovery to save funds and manpower.

This is a quote from Gen. Were as in already happened, see definition below

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She DID attempt to seize assets. It happened. In her own words, she successfully seized Tenloss assets. In several IC threads people are reacting to this post. You cannot say that all of their threads are non-canon because you feel like it. This happened, people's reactions are happening to this undeniable truth: Gen's clone army attacked numerous corporate locations across Republic Space.

You are free to ignore that, but other people don't have to acknowledge your view, nor does anyone have to acknowledge the timeline you are setting forth. People are, such as me with the skirmish, in an effort to be polite. But this is getting really old.

But now when the GR are adjusting its ic approach to this all, no one has paid attention to it.

That is because you are blatantly retconning people and trying to render their threads spanning dozens of posts invalid and force your time line on them. Of course they aren't going to recognize that. [member="Captain Larraq"] has already stated that many of these threads are taking place same day as Gen's take over ICly, as her clone army, in her words, is seizing assets all across Republic Space.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

You don't seem to understand. That is irrelevant.
Your organization has made a threat and the companies are reacting accordingly.
It doesn't matter who was at the helm. Before or after.

Well, hmmm... this makes sense I guess.

 

[Menoetius]

Well, hmmm... this makes sense I guess.

did mantic just accept the facts?

 

[Cristina Zeitlin]

I've made a single post pertaining to this story and the response that I received from it made me feel that it was (or rather my character), was merely waved off. I have doubts if I want to continue with the story on that alone.

I will concede the point that the same thread had multiple replies, yet after you write an elegant post explaining your choice and essentially get a "oh that's nice", kind of response, it really takes you out of any desire to continue.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

This is a quote from Gen. Were as in already happened, see definition below



She DID attempt to seize assets. It happened. In her own words, she successfully seized Tenloss assets. In several IC threads people are reacting to this post. You cannot say that all of their threads are non-canon because you feel like it. This happened, people's reactions are happening to this undeniable truth: Gen's clone army attacked numerous corporate locations across Republic Space.

You are free to ignore that, but other people don't have to acknowledge your view, nor does anyone have to acknowledge the timeline you are setting forth. People are, such as me with the skirmish, in an effort to be polite. But this is getting really old.





That is because you are blatantly retconning people and trying to render their threads spanning dozens of posts invalid and force your time line on them. Of course they aren't going to recognize that. [member="Captain Larraq"] has already stated that many of these threads are taking place same day as Gen's take over ICly, as her clone army, in her words, is seizing assets all across Republic Space.

This is a quote from Gen. Were as in already happened, see definition below



She DID attempt to seize assets. It happened. In her own words, she successfully seized Tenloss assets. In several IC threads people are reacting to this post. You cannot say that all of their threads are non-canon because you feel like it. This happened, people's reactions are happening to this undeniable truth: Gen's clone army attacked numerous corporate locations across Republic Space.

You are free to ignore that, but other people don't have to acknowledge your view, nor does anyone have to acknowledge the timeline you are setting forth. People are, such as me with the skirmish, in an effort to be polite. But this is getting really old.





That is because you are blatantly retconning people and trying to render their threads spanning dozens of posts invalid and force your time line on them. Of course they aren't going to recognize that. [member="Captain Larraq"] has already stated that many of these threads are taking place same day as Gen's take over ICly, as her clone army, in her words, is seizing assets all across Republic Space.

Its a bit more complicated.

Chaos system with faction gives the faction nandate to call big decissions.
Right now the factions own direction in all this is being ignored due to one writer.

Gen made a coup, lost her influence and has no right to control faction npcs to that magnitude.

This is also a plot that should be collaborative. Right now the GR is being bypassed due to us being slower posters. That is not ok.

 

[Tefka]

[member="Mantic Dorn"]

My only advice to this thread and its OP is, people don't accept OOC solutions to IC problems as well as they do IC solutions to IC problems.

It seems to me that you, ICly, were in a perfectly good place to get in front of this IC but you (for whatever reason) chose to take it OOC. Now, people are not viewing you (OOCly) as someone who can be reasoned with, but as someone who dictates.

Were I you, I'd fire my advisors and get some new ones.

If you don't have any, I'd get some and start listening to them.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

What I've learned from this thread is that I can get away with anything if I believe I didn't do it hard enough.

I am not sure Zi am following.

I am asking folks to slow down and dont take charge of the GR faction general actions.
Mantic is involved in the plot IC like many others. I am not saying things are not happening.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

[member="Mantic Dorn"]

My only advice to this thread and its OP is, people don't accept OOC solutions to IC problems as well as they do IC solutions to IC problems.

It seems to me that you, ICly, were in a perfectly good place to get in front of this IC but you (for whatever reason) chose to take it OOC. Now, people are not viewing you (OOCly) as someone who can be reasoned with, but as someone who dictates.

That's not leadership, not to me. Were I you, I'd fire my advisors and get some new ones.

I know I am being uncomfortable here. But thing is that the GR has already made ic solutions but its not taken into account.
Naturally we need to make this even more clear. But IC Mantic is "just" a jedi. I am asking for time so that we can print it out again since no one cared the first time.

Is it alright to just post away and then tell the co-writers that their oppinion does not matter because they are not responding fast enough?

 

[Tefka]

Is it alright to just post away and then tell the co-writers that their oppinion dies not matter because they are not responding fast enough?

Thats a problem you'll need to figure out the answer to. I assure you, there are better alternative solutions to this problem you present than posting an OOC topic about it.

You're only fueling the flames.

If the holidays were really an issue, I'd have kept mum about the subject until afterwards. Speed posters or not, you're the head of the GR, and you can control the direction of how this goes. But you need to understand that when I say you can control it, I don't mean that you OOCly force it to go the way you want it to.

Let them run wild with their ideas for now, what does it really harm? Fighting this OOC will eventually bring you to Staff, and nobody wants that, because we're going to roll in and suck all the fun out of everything. For you and them.

Be patient. Your time to get ahead of this will come. If they don't have you fanning the flames like this thread is, their fire won't last long, and you'll soon find an opening in which you can stamp it out without having to go through all this headache of bickering back and forth.

 

[Ellie Mors]

I had some step-by-step, or however you want to term it, explanation on what exactly wasn't handled best here (and some constructive advice on what to do differently), but [member="Tefka"]'s post is basically what I was about to say.

 

[Ilias Nytrau]

[member="Mantic Dorn"]

From a former FO of a successful major faction, and from one GR member to another -

1. You're wasting your time belabouring this point of yours, and you're hurting the faction, going on like this.

2. You're wasting an opportunity, here. Squandering an opportunity for something truly fun and exciting for our faction. The stars aligned on this. Please don't throw it away. Please.

3. That aforementioned opportunity is as simple as this: take the hand that's been dealt to you, and play it. The corporate conglomerate is more than willing to sit at the poker table with you - for feth sakes, let it benefit the faction. Talk to the companies involved and ask them how we can work with them so that we both can have our cake and eat it too. The companies get what they're after, and if we play our cards right, the faction can come out on top of this and better than it was before, too.

4. Did I mention this was an opportunity? Well, it's a golden one, and the last thing you want to do is feth that up for everyone - which you will do, if you keep going down the road you've been walking in this thread. Ruining everyone's fun is the fastest way to get people to not like you. So learn to take advantage of an opportunity, and milk it for all it's worth.

If you have any intention of taking mine or Tef's advice, then please have this thread archived, and get the heck to work for the sake of the Republic. This dead horse has been beaten with a second dead horse, and... eugh, enough is enough, already, mate.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

Thats a problem you'll need to figure out the answer to. I assure you, there are better alternative solutions to this problem you present than posting an OOC topic about it.

You're only fueling the flames.

If the holidays were really an issue, I'd have kept mum about the subject until afterwards. Speed posters or not, you're the head of the GR, and you can control the direction of how this goes. But you need to understand that when I say you can control it, I don't mean that you OOCly force it to go the way you want it to.

Let them run wild with their ideas for now, what does it really harm? Fighting this OOC will eventually bring you to Staff, and nobody wants that, because we're going to roll in and suck all the fun out of everything. For you and them.

Be patient. Your time to get ahead of this will come. If they don't have you fanning the flames like this thread is, their fire won't last long, and you'll soon find an opening in which you can stamp it out without having to go through all this headache of bickering back and forth.

The plot was constructed by members of the GR. It was an open plot but they did not expect the sort of bulldozer that just rushed through their plot.
I have from the start only tried to slow it down due to my members feeling they cant keep up or being outright ignored. That in itself makes me feel I needed an ooc statement.

I find it sad that no one cares about that and simply says, ok, we wont die if we wait a few days before pushing this further, for the sake of a fun story for everyone.

I will stop discussing it in this thread though.
I will finish by stating two reminders for those who want to rp With the GR and not pretend we are a noc organisation.

1. the GR authorities does not abide Gens order on taking companies. It was not sanctioned and use their own common sense with that.
2. Icly the republic has denounced Gen already but we will make it again if the first time around was hard to get.

 

[Ellie Mors]

the GR authorities does not abide Gens order on taking companies. It was not sanctioned and use their own common sense with that.

The act was done by a PC using a PC company's assets (Spaarti). The GR doesn't have any authority over that.

2. Icly the republic has denounced Gen already but we will make it again if the first time around was hard to get.

People won't stop until it is made right again. Denouncing someone in a position of power in your government doesn't void their actions or the consequences.

In total:

1. If/when the GR actually manages to get rid of Genevieve and the troops following her, things will start to slow down.
2. When the GR makes things right with companies, not just issuing a notice that the GR doesn't accept what she has said (because that literally doesn't mean anything), the companies will stop laying it on the GR.
3. No Major Faction can control any PC or their companies, nor their actions and the consequences of. You issuing an OOC notice that the GR doesn't condone her use of a PC company (Spaarti) and their clones to take another company's assets in the IC name of the republic doesn't really matter because you can't force Gen to say she isn't doing it on behalf of the Republic (and.. she already said that she did, so it really doesn't matter) and you have no authority on what companies can do, period.
4. If you want people to slow down their posting speed you can PM each writer you feel is moving too fast and kindly, politely, request that they give ample time to react, and explain why.
5. None of your posts are being ignored. Your posts were made after all of this happened, which means, yeah, it's going to get reacted to after the threads that started before it. Don't like it? Well too bad.

This all happened a full forty-eight hours before the thread you linked several times in this thread, so, really, I don't care what you want to say, the fact is that you are incorrect when you state people are ignoring that thread. The fact is that you are ignoring the other threads.

 

[Serah Oricion]

Could not have said that better myself...

 

[Mantic Dorn]

The act was done by a PC using a PC company's assets (Spaarti). The GR doesn't have any authority over that.


People won't stop until it is made right again. Denouncing someone in a position of power in your government doesn't void their actions or the consequences.

In total:

• If/when the GR actually manages to get rid of Genevieve and the troops following her, things will start to slow down.
• When the GR makes things right with companies, not just issuing a notice that the GR doesn't accept what she has said (because that literally doesn't mean anything), the companies will stop laying it on the GR.
• No Major Faction can control any PC or their companies, nor their actions and the consequences of. You issuing an OOC notice that the GR doesn't condone her use of a PC company (Spaarti) and their clones to take another company's assets in the IC name of the republic doesn't really matter because you can't force Gen to say she isn't doing it on behalf of the Republic (and.. she already said that she did, so it really doesn't matter) and you have no authority on what companies can do, period.
• If you want people to slow down their posting speed you can PM each writer you feel is moving too fast and kindly, politely, request that they give ample time to react, and explain why.
• None of your posts are being ignored. Your posts were made after all of this happened, which means, yeah, it's going to get reacted to after the threads that started before it. Don't like it? Well too bad.

This all happened a full forty-eight hours before the thread you linked several times in this thread, so, really, I don't care what you want to say, the fact is that you are incorrect when you state people are ignoring that thread. The fact is that you are ignoring the other threads.

You might not care what I want to say, but I am not ignoring you.
I cant pm every writer involed. Its a lot of people.

But I am reading what folk have written here. I feel you are treating this wrong but I am not ignoring it.
I am trying to find a way through it and a way to adapt, so that it makes more sense to all involved.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

[member="Tefka"]

Due to the ooc dramaI caused I am fine with this thread being archived as [member="Ordon Trozky"] suggested.

I think I am right but to discuss it ooc in the open did not bring it forward.

 

[Serah Oricion]

[member="Mantic Dorn"]

The first mistake was pushing forward with taking out gen... sorry but I'm not sure how many GR members felt left out and ignored when the entire plot ended up in you and the others eyes a total of five people truly involved. I myself was told to just let others handle it and u was not needed for the plot and I'm sure others were too or just plan not Included in a bigger way. If you want to retcon anything, have it be the grand master succeeding in taking out gen so quickly. Otherwise you squander the plot and alienate members who have more to give towards what could be a great event for the facti9n...

Edit: on a phone, sorry for the typing mistakes