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Disclaimer on the Gen move vs companies.

[member="Jay Scott Clark"]
You don't get to wave a magic wand and make things non-canon. You make a public thread, or affect the IC assets of a character, you have to deal with the consequences. Whether that member is no longer here or not, it's happened, now it has to be dealt with.
 

Jsc

~Still Surfin
Ayden Cater said:
Unless Staff starts dropping non-canon tags on threads, then one person who is not staff can't just make that unilateral claim on their own.
Canon canon. What is canon. Pfft. Who cares. Canon don't matter. People matter.

Here's the skinny on people Ayden. Mantic and the Pubs don't want to play your game. So why bother making them? Staff ain't gonna care. You think Tef cares about what is canon or canon. Pfft. Tef don't care. Staff don't care.

If you don't want to RP with the Pubs Ayden. Don't RP with the Pubs. :)
 
Just sad when a faction destroys a story with amazing potential because other people RPed a reaction to it, like members should do in an RP forum.

Too much OOC drama, too little fun. Most of the time, drama could be avoided by not creating it. If a person is caught up in OOC drama, they themselves are a part of the reason the problem even exists.
 

Jsc

~Still Surfin
Valiens Nantaris said:
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]
You don't get to wave a magic wand and make things non-canon. You make a public thread, or affect the IC assets of a character, you have to deal with the consequences. Whether that member is no longer here or not, it's happened, now it has to be dealt with.
I'm convinced this is an opinion until Staff decides to use it's big boy voice. If the Pubs ain't gonna play ball. The Pubs ain't gonna play ball. Put your money where your mouth is. Tell Mantic that he *must* play ball. Force him. Tell a whole Faction what is and what is not... The Game.

Or, just let the Pubs be Pubs. If they don't to play ball. Let them learn the hard way. That if they don't play ball? This community will walk away from them.

That's life.
 
Yes, but Mantic gave them the okay. It's in the thread, the one from the Planning thread that I posted earlier. He was made aware and he signed off, and it wasn't until things started going south for his faction that he decided to pull the plug and say none of it happened. That doesn't seem like the kind of thing we should be encouraging.
 
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

Its not only the outside factions, but its that the story did not go as planned. Gen made the basis for a great story, she encouraged others to join in at first. But then it all turned one eighty and only those who ere decided to be leading the event had any real impact. Otherwise you were told it was non-canon like now or your additions to the idea like the corporate grouping in response to IC actions are asked to go packing.

The idea had the chance to be absolutely grand like [member="Ellya"] said... but that was destroyed when they tried to control who could effect it and who was not suppose to join in. That is the problem in the end. Those who reacted ICly were told OOCly they should not be acting the way they were... its close to controlling another persons character when people act this way.

Edit: It turned from a great event, into a small personal story for Gen and those she wanted in the story...
 

Jsc

~Still Surfin
I can't change Mantic, [member="Jack Sparrow"] . I can't speak for the Pubs. He got voted FO. He's FO. Now... If the Pubs don't like Mantic being FO and making all these fancy *fact* announcements? Well. Then I think it's up to them to vote him out as their FO and go in a new direction.

Brave new world. :)
 

Rusty

Purveyor of Fine Weaponry
There's a saying that I'm fond of. My joes usually hear it right before I smoke the piss out of them for doing something so monumentally boneheaded that the only option is to make them do pushups til their hands bleed while apologizing to the grass they're pushing in for wasting the oxygen it worked to hard to produce.

"You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes."

Actions have consequences, even in RP. That's basically the only thing that makes us an RP community rather than a bunch of occasionally connected fanfics. Now there's no question that Gen's actions kicked off a ish storm of epic proportions. That's what happens when you take a swing at one of the most well connected characters on the board, written by one of the most well connected writers on the board. If Gen had taken down some lowly Tier 2 company or something, no one would have given a flying kark. Instead, he went for Danger.

Now Mantic gets to inherit the mess. It's a big one alright, but it's what he signed up for when he agreed to take the job. It's his job to guide the faction through the coming months, and part of that means dealing with the existing messes. Now so far, he's dropped the ball so hard it might actually tunnel through to China. He's screwed the pooch so hard, the poor little doggy is going to need a cement mixer full of lidocaine to be able to sit for the next month.

It is not the job of a faction leader to dictate to the rest of the galaxy how they will interact with the faction. It is the job of the faction leader to guide their faction through the myriad plots and struggles as they happen. This is an ongoing event involving more than a few writers. Obstreperously declaring that everyone else should just deal with the fact that he doesn't want to deal with it is not going to help a damned thing.

The first month of a regime is always the trickiest. It's during this time that the leaders establish their reputation both within their faction and with outsiders. The same could be said of everything from the FO of the GR to the President of the United States. If he had picked up the reigns and steered his faction along to a mutually beneficial outcome, discussing potential plots with the other side and establishing stories rather than telling all involved to go pound sand, we wouldn't be having this discussion. We'd be praising him on his positive attitude and commenting to each other about how the GR was in good hands. Instead, this happened.

That's not to say it's too late. Mantic is new to the position. He's just getting his feet in the water, and I don't think anyone will hold this incident against him. If, that is, he's willing to admit the mistake and work with everybody, rather than getting his dander up and trying to take his toys and go home. The story will go on regardless. Whether or not it goes on with him at the helm of a Galactic Republic that is once more a viable mover and shaker within the RP community is entirely up to him.
 

Jsc

~Still Surfin
[member="Solan Charr"] - Tell the Pubs that man. They're the ones who pulled out. That Faction be cray-cray. Besides? So what if your story is 'this canon' or 'that canon'. If you love it, write it.

And if the Pubs ain't gonna play ball. Don't play with the Pubs. :)
 
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

Still a pub my friend, i could never abandon that faction, no matter how hard i try. I am speaking as an internal member of the pubs on Yusan as well as an outside member on Solan... My point was, none of this has been handled in a way it should have been, and it gives me flashbacks to the last faction i was in that did this... now their pink cloud no longer exists because of the failures to work within and without the faction... This was a test in ways, for the faction to get new blood and focus and i hope they do change for the better and start reacting in such a way that is In character over an attempt to control other people's characters through OOC... I hope that makes some more sense.
 
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

You don't get to be a major faction and decide, as a faction, who you get to play with or not. Major faction means you are fair game for everyone, for the good stories and the bad. One of the facts of being a major faction.

This was started as a faction story. Now other groups on the board are responding. The Pubs don't have the right now to just unilaterally jerk it all back and tell everyone else to sod off. If Dorn and others in the Republic don't wanna play to that story, fine. But it'll still get played, with or without them. With, they get to help shape the narrative. Without, the picture gets shaped without them. And I guarantee that they'll always prefer a picture they get to help make over one they can't.
 

Jsc

~Still Surfin
[member="Solan Charr"] - Okay. No, you're right. Expressing publicly that Mantic to stick to his guns was stupid. I should have said, Let's hope Mantic and the Pubs come around and plays the game the rest of us are playing.

My bad. This community shouldn't have to suffer the loss of a whole Major Faction before it learns to grow up. That was stupid of me. Sorry. :(

(ditto this to [member="Ayden Cater"], I was off center. My bad.)
 
On the other hand, if the Republic does die, that would be a massive shakeup in the galaxy, and probably make for a super interesting plot line, so if they want to do that, more power to them!

Just uh, do it intentionally, not unintentionally. :wub:
 
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

No need to be sorry, it's a hard thing to learn as I did back in Augus, but I did thanks to [member="Darth Metus"] and draco... like ayden said, leading a faction that is major means being ready to react in a way that keeps a story open no matter what.
 
Valiens Nantaris said:
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]
You don't get to wave a magic wand and make things non-canon. You make a public thread, or affect the IC assets of a character, you have to deal with the consequences. Whether that member is no longer here or not, it's happened, now it has to be dealt with.

Jay Scott Clark said:
I'm convinced this is an opinion until Staff decides to use it's big boy voice. If the Pubs ain't gonna play ball. The Pubs ain't gonna play ball. Put your money where your mouth is. Tell Mantic that he *must* play ball. Force him. Tell a whole Faction what is and what is not... The Game.

Or, just let the Pubs be Pubs. If they don't to play ball. Let them learn the hard way. That if they don't play ball? This community will walk away from them.

That's life.

I'm a little new to the site, but I'm pretty sure that Administrator tag directly under Raz Al'Ghul's Santa hatted visage means that when he says it is board canon, then it is board canon. It happened, that is the end of the debate. Deal with it IC.

In fact, Master Al'Ghul ([member="Valiens Nantaris"]) was the second person with said Administrator tag to essentially say "Deal with it IC," so I'd take that as pretty much gospel at this point.

The only fact that matters: The GR, in the person of it's Prime Minister, declared the assets of a major company to be nationalized. Consequences are going to come, no need to try to fight them because fighting it won't help. Roll with it, use it to write good stories.
 

Kay-Larr

Sphaera Tea Company Owner
There are still threads going along with the plot, so I don't see it being pulled. I think that people are forgetting that this is a game and not real life. It doesn't follow real life events. We write it however we want as it's our world, just as we choose when our characters will die (if they die).

As I've said earlier, I haven't had the time yet to learn about being an FA due to the holidays and all of this arguing. But I am trying to keep up and have fun writing with those that I currently have threads with.

Again I ask for patience and help when I have more time. People have told me opposing things about my role, so I'll need some clarifications later ;)

I think that I'm just going to stick to IC posting during these spare moments that I have as I owe it to those writers to keep things going. I hope that it doesn't come across as burying my head in the sand :p I'm just busy and thankfully not hosting tonight's party.

Happy New Year everyone! Be safe :)
 
[member="Lady Kay"] | [member="Mantic Dorn"]

Don't worry, you'll learn the things quickly, I hope! But experiences like this are the best ways to learn and jump into the water head first.

Use every possibility like that and go with the flow. Don't let such an awesome experience slip out of your hands. ;)
 

Jsc

~Still Surfin
[member="Niall OOC"]

Admins have a 'this is my opinion' voice and Admins have 'this is what we will enforce' voice. And I've been around long enough to see that both can be hard to tell apart at times.

But yes. I apologize Niall if I seemed to be disrespecting Valiens and Spencer. It was inconsiderate of me to challenge them so freely in a very public place. Thanks for the reminder. Cheers mate. :D
 

Kay-Larr

Sphaera Tea Company Owner
[member="Ellya"]

I don't find reading ooc arguments as being an awesome experience, but boy the IC stuff sure is :) And that's what I'm here for. I'm working with others to deal with this in an IC way as is what most of us want to do. It's a lot more fun (even if I lose).
 

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