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Suggestion Chaos Wiki - The Future of the Codex

I think this has been suggested before, and people were less than interested, but I'd like everyone to at least consider it.

Essentially, we'd create an on site wiki that works to keep track of planets, factions, characters, so on. It would be updated with changes that occur by the community, crowd sourced, while moderated and corrected by Codex Judges. Instead of subs coming in constantly, just to say 'yes you're approved' our Judges now would work as moderators that make sure nobody is griefing our wiki. This comes with the understanding that each wiki would be set up similar to other wiki, in which there is a discussion page meant for ooc concerns over a planet, along with edit histories tied to accounts, and generally a community first moderation method.

And before someone gets mad - that's what we already do. The community already moderates itself, why not give it the ability to do that in a more consistent way with the assistance of site staff?

More over, this also gains us the ability to make serious histories for worlds that would not otherwise have their niche lore remembered. For example, Jutrand will return to just 'Jutrand' the second the SO goes minor because nobody is going to care or remember what came of it. With a wiki, we could list down what has changed with Jutrand since those days - so that way when someone wants to take it over 3 years from now, they have the option to reference some of what was written already, and adjust their story to at least mention these things. Of course the wiki will not be all binding, and people won't have to listen to it in the same way they don't have to listen to any RP that takes place now, but having the easy option of it makes for a much better narrative for the entire board imo.

This allows us to also clarify what rp took place before - such as the Sundering Dawn. We can write out what happened, and how it made a difference. If you tried to find information about The Clockwork Rebellion or the Netherworld Event, you'd have to ask one of the old heads or staff members what it was or why it even mattered to know that it was a big deal once upon a time.

I think a wiki would solve that issue, and if we trust the community to continue to moderate itself, it would be minimal upkeep cost for the Codex to deal with - especially if we use it as a means to replace the current codex. We just list down the current templates for people so they can create wiki pages similarly.

Additionally, we could even ask our sister-site of Chronicles how they do theirs, for the backend and front end adjustements, so that we can better implement it without issue. Personally, I think that'd be an amazing idea.

Anyway, that's my bi-monthly suggestion. Don't flame me over a wiki, I know some of you guys get way too angry at the thought of change.
 
Also before anyone comments 'but it would suck to transport everything over'. We just got a new map, it's a perfect time to do the change. We don't transfer things over unless those people are still around to add it themselves. We just carry over what people are willing to carry over with some effort now - so your subs only continue if you copy and paste them into the wiki after we make it. That's it, its simple and easy. We can write everything off as lost during the galactic upheavel that's happened, with whatever canon you subscribe to.
 
I see the appeal, but I'm not yet convinced the effort to make this change is worth the update.

Pros:
  • Easier to track the history of planets and events in one spot
  • Community can contribute directly
  • Could preserve niche lore that might otherwise be lost
Cons:
  • Removes formal oversight and replaces it with crowd moderation
  • Potentially more work for Codex Judges, not less
  • Opens the door to lore disputes and inconsistent quality
  • Nothing stops anyone from writing out a planet or event’s history in the Codex right now
Nice idea on paper, but it solves a problem that doesn’t actually require a system overhaul to fix.
 
The issue will always be maintaining such a thing.

People overwrite stuff all the time, and it's a small miracle anything gets 'remembered', more often than not only because the original writer pops back in and reminds folks, or more often, people who have stuck around for ages. ( Hi Darth Carnifex Darth Carnifex )

Lore on chaos is often transient. It serves its purpose in the moment, but then is discarded once it's served that purpose.

As much as I would personally love a wiki with long lists, I do question how many people would actually use it.
 
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I think this has been suggested before, and people were less than interested, but I'd like everyone to at least consider it.

You suggested this May 4 of last year...

A wiki for the custom planets was also discussed 2 weeks later…

I’m a hard no and a hard pass. The oversight of a wiki will always fall to staff who are volunteers and have lives outside of chaos. The fact we even have a factory and codex is a huge boon. Making an external wiki for the site, as was part of the first RP site I joined, required separate moderation, which didn’t really happen, and it was 95% inaccurate anyhow.

The wiki doesn’t actually solve the issue… it only makes it more convoluted.

The ROI on it just isn’t there.
 
I've found this site to be pretty good for just letting you write the stories you want to. If you had a wiki you would need to either declare that its word was law meaning tons of moderation and removing creative freedom, or declare it optional on which case, what does it add to the site?
 
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I can see why codex judges wouldn't want to touch this so here's my take on how this could be done:

Go full community run like Wikipedia itself, not moderated by chaos staff but by the community at large. Sure it's the wild west but that saves the staff the extra time which is probably the biggest wall a chaos wiki would run into. That does mean the community would have to be extra vigilant and responsible though, but that also means users can undo griefing(assuming there's a changelog or version history) and anything against chaos' community guidlines, themselves.

Also I don't think it would be done on site in that case, instead probably being a separate fandom wiki or smth I'm guessing? Idk much about making wikis but I see low quality rp wikis all the time while looking for lore so i'm assuming there's a way to do it.

If the community makes it's own offsite wiki though I'd like to suggest that there be some guidelines on what does and does not make it into a wiki page? not long retellings of 1 on 1 private threads involving a basic dungeon crawl, but quick summaries of major events like dominions and invasions with some links here and there to relevant forum posts.
 
The Codex keeps our forum looking active when things slow down. I dont know if we want just to boot all that to another site. Part of the appeal of this website is that it is constantly active vs the dead zones out there that nobody wants to join.

Just my two cents.
 
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Satire aside. I actually like the idea of a wiki, but i would not want to be the one responsible to maintain it and i disagree about codex staff or RPJ or any staff in general being the ones too. The association of staff with a wiki would set precedence on some events, narratives and perspectives over others. Would come off as more "official", if there is such a thing in a writing hobby, If a wiki was ever made, why not have it be made by someone else ( Darth Empyrean Darth Empyrean ...just sayin you suggested it, im sure some others would assist in the project) and also have the wiki be completely non-congruent. Aka, Its gonna have multiple of the same story and narrative with different outcomes and perspectives and none of them are more or less "correct".
 
the association of staff with a wiki would set precedence on some events, narratives and perspectives over others. Would come off as more "official"
To be fair, factions already do this anyways.

Major faction storylines have always taken precedence, and often minor faction stuff gets entirely overlooked. This isn't a bad thing, just part of how chaos self moderates. Minor factions come and go, and are often overlooked due to being more often than not personal projects by individual writers, while majors are huge collaborative projects by dozens of writers.
 
Cons:
  • Removes formal oversight and replaces it with crowd moderation
  • Potentially more work for Codex Judges, not less
  • Opens the door to lore disputes and inconsistent quality
  • Nothing stops anyone from writing out a planet or event’s history in the Codex right now
Nice idea on paper, but it solves a problem that doesn’t actually require a system overhaul to fix.
Formal oversight exists right now, but it mostly exists as 'hey i made something that doesn't make sense to deny because its literally just me and my rp', and it forces codex to read, judge, and inevitably approve everything we put forward. This gets rid of that. We already have lore disputes, but most of that is 'is my character the sith'ari or not, and why is nobody treating me with the respect I deserve', i'm sure we can continue to have multiple canons existing like we do already - people can just pretend their stories matter more than someone elses like usual.

The issue will always be maintaining such a thing.

Lore on chaos is often transient. It serves its purpose in the moment, but then is discarded once it's served that purpose.

Crowd source. We as a community already keep the forum alive and canon 'canon' through our own efforts, this would just give us a platform to actually do it. Same difference we've always had. Maybe make major factions do it or something, idc.

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Everything is already optional, factory and codex by that very metric should be removed. Personally, I agree - lets just make it into a wiki, and make more freedom for people. Sub what you want, who cares.

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Xenforo allows for wiki plugins to be on the site. Check out chronicles, it has that same plugin. All you have to do is add it to our site and its not a separate site - its built into the whole site as it exists currently. All we'd do as writers is port over our own subs, and continue making new subs as we like. Itd still contribute to activity.

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Difference is xenforo has a plugin so it'd be on the site, not off the site. I could go create a non-canon chaos wiki, sure, but having it on the site is more convenient and better. We can see the success of wikis through chronicles.

Way I see it, a wiki would be the most official capacity for the community to self moderate. It'd be fun. I personally would love to write down a bunch of history for threads, if not just summarize some other threads to add to things. Ez.
 
You suggested this May 4 of last year...

A wiki for the custom planets was also discussed 2 weeks later…

I’m a hard no and a hard pass. The oversight of a wiki will always fall to staff who are volunteers and have lives outside of chaos. The fact we even have a factory and codex is a huge boon. Making an external wiki for the site, as was part of the first RP site I joined, required separate moderation, which didn’t really happen, and it was 95% inaccurate anyhow.

The wiki doesn’t actually solve the issue… it only makes it more convoluted.

The ROI on it just isn’t there.

What can I say, a good idea sticks around. I'm consistent if nothing else.

As far as oversight, other site does it just fine without serious headaches. Community moderates, just as it does now, only difference is we do it unofficially. Xenforo allows an on board wiki so it wouldn't be off site. This feels like a 'i don't like change' response more than a good argument. Factory and Codex are just ways for judges to feel important, but they don't mean anything or add anything more than a wiki does - they just take more effort. This fantasy of oversight we keep saying, is weird. At no point will there just inherently going to be more work for no reason beyond 'yeah more work i bet'
 
Kitter Bitters Kitter Bitters

Xenforo allows for wiki plugins to be on the site. Check out chronicles, it has that same plugin. All you have to do is add it to our site and its not a separate site - its built into the whole site as it exists currently. All we'd do as writers is port over our own subs, and continue making new subs as we like. Itd still contribute to activity.

Okay that actually sounds pretty neat. Can someone link me to whatever Chronicles is?
 
You suggested this May 4 of last year...

What can I say, a good idea sticks around. I'm consistent if nothing else.

1. A wiki is not a new idea, let's not try to claim ownership. Most people remember, when some of the ChroniclesRP Admins were adminning here, we even tried a wiki. So unfortunately, I have the experience of already trying it here at Chaos.

2. Let's attack the problem, not the people. I've had it up to here with snarkers, that goes for you too, Staff.
 
A wiki has been proposed and even setup before by a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers who started with the best of intentions.

What happened?

Within a few months it was tumbleweeds. My (somewhat bitter) experience is that people are all enthusiastic and make promises about what they're going to do, and they might even mean it. However, come a few weeks or months down the line people drift away.

I am not seeing anything about a wiki which cannot be done with the current tools available. You can submit lore, backstory, anything you want through it.
 

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