You'll Sleep When I Say So

[Mishka Larraq]

[member="Rolf Amsel"]

So. Funny thing that I thought you might get a chuckle out of.

While I never really got around to subbing Mishka's armor, it's got a pretty big exposed bit on the upper back, around the collarbone area.

Spoiler

The whole time I was reading your post, I was thinking "damn it, I'm gonna have to take a bullet to the collarbone."
Which, would of hurt like kark. I would have flipped a coin to see if the shot hit left or right, and have her lose control of the arm on whichever side got hit, but otherwise try to keep fighting.

The stun round though? Mishka's armor is all analog with no real tech stuff in it. No cap drain or de-ionizers. "Archaic" style.
Stun round's gonna knock her butt out. And while she could have probably blocked or dodged it if it had come from the front, there's too much crazy going on in the force right now for her to focus enough to watch her 6 like that.

So! Good move.

But now we get to tease you for shooting a girl in the back.

 

[Natasi Fortan]

[member="Rolf Amsel"]
But now we get to tease you for shooting a girl in the back.

 

[Mittens]

Mittens' IC reaction gonna be.

 

[RC 212]

This Jada/Silara

I'm down to pick up whoever as a neutral search and rescue tug. Just wanna get Drakes feet wet and maybe make a cred or two.

Add another odd element to an odd story.

 

[Progflaw99]

[member="Tiland Kortun"] | And to a lesser extent: [member="Mittens"]

Hello again!

I wanted to clear up a few things I think may not have been understood clearly regarding the actions the First Order has taken regarding the "Sorrow" command. What I'm seeing is it being referred to as an area bombardment, which isn't quite accurate (Sorry for the pun, I know). I expect there to be some collateral damage incurred during the targeted strike on the palace complex, but there are a few things in posts which make it seem like you believed the First Order to be making a very loosely targeted strike.

The first barrage had gotten through and he still felt its tremors and shockwaves spread across the city.

Firstly, the strike was specifically targeted at the Palace Grounds, not at the city overall.

Yet even as it spread, turbolasers and missiles slammed into the city, crashing into buildings, and piles of salvage

Secondly, again here - the target was specifically the palace grounds, not the city itself.

I believe you've given reasoning as to why you thought that our attack would be across the city. Here is another quote which attempts to explain why/how our targeted strike turned into a citywide bombardment.

Tiland saw how it had happened. Too far and too quick had been the bombardment and at such distances, not even the most advanced targeting computers could keep up with a planetary rotation.

This is perhaps the largest hiccup I've run into. We've been able to account for planetary rotation since before computers were invented, so the idea that a computer - especially the kind aboard the FIV Wrath which per its submission are extremely high tech, couldn't account for planetary rotation and calculate the proper azimuths and angles is hard to believe. We definitely have the technology to do so, moreso with the presence of the FIV Wrath. As to *how* we've targeted the palace complex, I could give a dozen different methods. Geotagging (This isn't the first time First Order personnel have been inside the palace), laser designation, bio locators from the First Order personnel... etc.

Long story short, there are two things.

1. It's a targeted strike at the Palace Grounds Alone
2. It is possible, especially with the advanced systems of the FIV Wrath in play.

Edit:

Additional Note, there are two strikes occurring. The larger of the two is the palace grounds, the secondary is from the FIV Wrath directly towards the shield generator/projector which is in the immediate vicinity of the Palace (But not inside) as per Tiland and Vorhi's posts previously. (Post dictating secondary target, Shield Generator: Link)

 

[Jada Raxis]

I'm not understanding why there's so much butt hurt here. Was gonna stay out of it.

With all respects I feel like this is getting out of hand a turning into an ego fest, not a battle for the sake of story, where you guys are writing yourselves as invincible, or arguing every action that's written.

Honestly it kind of turns me off from wanting to write with FO again.

As far as I understand it, you guys fired shots at ORC property and thus you don't get to decide how or where they land, just like I cant call a hit on your FIV Wrath with seventy million missiles, nor can we write that the Summa Verminoth scored a direct hit and latched on, we can only say we launched it at ya. After that its the other players turn.These are the rules of the game.

Promise not trying to be rude

Just some food for thought.

 

[Kira Vaal]

[member="Jada Raxis"]

But there is a difference between saying "Yes it hit the palace." & "You hit the entire city you chums."

One is effective response to the situation, the other is gaming collateral.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

[member="Kira Vaal"] - I don't recall you being involved at all in this face, so politely post from an involved account or maybe.... Take it elsewhere? Thanks.

[member="Jada Raxis"] - Calm the tone and the message. If you're upset about them, come talk to us. Taking and venting frustrations in the OOC is not the way to do things. You can explain your position and still be respectful. I expect better in the future. Thank you.

 

[Mittens]

[member="Jada Raxis"]

It's ok Jada, we're rolling with what's going on.



[member="Sieger Ren"]

This one was my call. As you were stating before, it's normal protocol to give your opposition time to attempt to respond to and possibly counter your actions with their own posts. For Naval Actions, and Orbital Bombardments in particular, the standard protocol of good form is to arrive in one post, allow your opposition to respond, move into a low-orbit position in the next post, allow your opposition to respond, aim at the target, allow your opposition to respond, and then to finally fire, which then the opposition then responds to deciding what got hit and how much damage was caused.

This applies just as easily to a sniper getting into position for a shot as it does to a starship. Cyrus and Gromm are both firing at the planet on the turn immediately after arriving in the solarsystem. That's a little unusual, but we're rolling with it and giving your writers the benefit of the doubt. We're taking the hit, and we're letting it cause damage, but the accuracy of the shot is not going to be quite as precise as if the normal posting order had been carried out. I ran some math, crunched some numbers, and came up with what I felt was reasonable. Typically, the atmosphere of a planet goes out to 100km from the surface and a "low orbit" is typically considered to be at the same altitude as the International Space Station. Which would be 400km from the surface. With our standard-ish engagement ranges over the surface of the planet, we ARE relatively close. So I would hazard that the absolute maximum range from the planet would be 800km. I went ahead and gave your writers a further benefit of the doubt by giving them 99.5 to 99.9% weapon accuracy. So that leaves anywhere from a 0.1 to a 0.5 degree angle for each shot to be fired from. Cyrus attributed the full weight of fire of two Battlecruisers into an immediate, reactionary barrage on a target while Gromm attributed the full weight of fire of two battlecruisers and several escorting star destroyers onto a single target. This target is roughly the size of a Corvette or a Frigate and is 400-800km away. Again, giving the benefit of the doubt, I crunched the numbers at 400km distance. At 400km range, with a 0.1-degree of inaccuracy, each shot would be scattered over an area 0.7km wide. At 400km range, with a 0.5-degree of inaccuracy, this goes up to 3.4km of inaccuracy. And, in a worst case scinerio of 800km range and 0.5-degrees of inaccuracy, you're looking at each shot landing in an area roughly 7km wide.

So, with these numbers as a ballpark and with the above explaination for why we are deciding to take hits in this way, I feel that claiming the shots to be landing in an circular area 1 to 4km wide is justified.

If you would like to check my math, here is a helpful website.
https://www.1728.org/angsize.htm

 

[Progflaw99]

[member="Mittens"]

I'm not sure math was really necessary, but sure - we'll take your numbers as accurate. It's not about the numbers. I just wanted to ensure that you were aware that this isn't a full scale, city leveling bombardment. There was a very clear target (The Palace) and the Shield Generator. As I've said, I expect collateral, but I also don't feel writing that up to "The whole city is under attack" or "The streets of Skor are obliterated" is in line with the actions we took and I wanted to just touch base, so that we're all working off the same canvas, not misunderstanding and having our respective stories (On all sides) fragmented by that.

So long as everyone understand and respects that this is clearly not a city wide bombardment, I think that's a good place to continue from. Collateral is an eventuality, but there's a big difference between collateral and "The whole city was receiving fire" when the posts dictate it was a precision strike at a fixed target. So long as that distinction is clear.

 

[Mittens]

[member="Sieger Ren"]


Right, right!

We understand OOC where the shots are targeting and IC, most of our characters should understand that the shots are most likely targeting the Palace and Shield Generator specifically. But, as shot are going wide and hitting over a wide-ish area (also, that's a lot of really big guns. Like. A lot.), most of the screaming and panicking characters and NPCs will likely refer to it as "The City's Under Attack".

If there's anything beyond that being said, it's a misunderstanding or just a bit too much dramatic flare.

 

[Jada Raxis]

[member="Julius Sedaire"]

I thought it was very respectful. I'm an adult. I can respectfully state what I feel without someone else being a mediator for me.

 

[Vorhi Alestrani]

Thank you for putting up with my spooky malarkey. In exchange for being such nice folks, Y'all are gonna get a prize! After the "winner" is declared, I will be submitting that horrible, awful, dangerously haunted briar as a location submission in the Codex? Why? Because haunted forests are cool, duh!

 

[Jorus Merrill]

[member="Karl Von Strauss"]

Just saw your tag. I'd thought I replied, but clearly my brain did inaccurate things. The last few days have been a bit of a blur due to moving. Sorry to drop the ball. Thanks for a fun fight.

 

[Karl Von Strauss]

[member="Jorus Merrill"]

Its fine, I've also been quite busy this week, and was just able to respond.

 

[Joza Perl]

Shout out to [member="Leah Kaban"] for being an excellent adversarial writer, IC and OOC to [member="Arcanus Sunstrider"] and I! Thank you both for making this a really enjoyable invasion story.

Also shout out to [member="Castiel Moncrief"] who took a dead Graug, Amazon and droid to his person in a terrible game of humanoid dominoes. I hope your ribs are alright.

Shout out x3 as the Worst Family Reunion award goes to [member="Zef Halo"], [member="Elian Keyes"] and [member="Alkor Centaris"]. It was an excellent mess and I wouldn't have had it any other way.