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You'll Sleep When I Say So

Progflaw99

Well-Known Member
[member="Mishka Larraq"]

Didn't he just do that in his post? If he didn't address you popping up between us, maybe that's another issue - because if I'm understanding what you're saying you claim to have come between Rexus, Omari, Twigg and I. Which, as I've expressed isn't exactly 'good to go' as it were given the situation. So, I guess this begs the question: Are you claiming to be between us?

If so, then it's as much a problem for me as it is for Rexus, as our stories are clearly connected as evidenced by both previous posts and the ones immediately preceding yours.
 
Rolf Amsel said:
Yes, firing "Behind" in this case was the direction Rolf and Co. had come from, implying that you were you know, behind us and not forward of our direction of travel. So I'm not sure how you being behind us and us firing suddenly justifies you cutting inbetween us by using convenient Squib Maintenance Tunnels.

I mentioned the maintenance tunnels five days ago. Nobody raised an issue about them then. And using side-passages is pretty darned common on Chaos, so I'm not sure what issue you have with it. It's actually a pretty minor thing considering the liberties being taken elsewhere in the thread.


Rolf Amsel said:
We could argue dimensions, ranges, speeds of travel all day, but ultimately is that going to get us anywhere? It seems you won't be satisfied unless you're able to directly post cut us - and that just doesn't seem quite fair to me.

Rolf Amsel said:
Didn't he just do that in his post? If he didn't address you popping up between us, maybe that's another issue - because if I'm understanding what you're saying you claim to have come between Rexus, Omari, Twigg and I. Which, as I've expressed isn't exactly 'good to go' as it were given the situation. So, I guess this begs the question: Are you claiming to be between us?

If so, then it's as much a problem for me as it is for Rexus, as our stories are clearly connected as evidenced by both previous posts and the ones immediately preceding yours.


Oh. I think I see the issue / miscommunication here.

Let me...


Mishka Larraq said:
Mishka took her finger off the control for the grenade, let it cook for a second, then flung it down a small side passage and towards the more heavily armed pair of SpecOps soldiers. Had she timed it right, the grenade should detonate in the center of the main hallway, just a few feet ahead of the pair as they ran. While it sure as kark wouldn't hurt them, it should at least cause their equipment to malfunction for the next few moments. Hopefully she'd only needed a few moments...

​Pushing herself, drawing upon the Manda to give her the speed and agility she would need, Mishka accelerated her sprint down the Squib-sized service corridor and turned left down the next perpendicular path. A second later and Mishka slid to a stop in the center of the main hallway (hopefully ahead of the two SpecOps operatives, but behind could work just as well) and drew her sword, the metal blade casting a golden-orange glow over Mishka's features. "Boo." Mishka said as she took in the sight of the men with her own two eyes. A split second later, Mishka charged at the pair.


So the logic here is that over in the main corridor, Rexus and friends were occupied with covering their retreat and not getting shot in the butt while they ran for it. Mishka, over in a side corridor, didn't have to worry about getting shot in the butt and was able to simply run as fast as she could. When she caught up with them, she was trying to throw a grenade at them, then give Rexus plenty of leeway to decide how he wanted to respond to the grenade (including trying to kick it back the way it came) while continuing to run ahead to cut them off.

The plan was to cut them off. But I stated in the post, or at least I tried to imply it, that there was room for them to just continue moving and get ahead of Mishka so that she'd jump into the hallway immediately behind them instead of in front of them.

The issue is that he decided to pass out from the EMP grenade effecting his cybernetics (which I actually had no idea he possessed). Which, from an IC perspective, would make it make the most sense if Mishka hopped out into the hallway immediately ahead of him.

Don't get me wrong. If he wants his NPC to unload suppression fire at Mishka with one hand and try to drag Rexus with the other, I'm cool with that. I'm not saying he needs to stop everything and let Mishka put his head in a basket while he's talking to ghosts, just asking that he actually work Mishka into his post so we can get a little activity going on here.

Y'all (the FO ground forces in general, not you guys specifically) have pretty much been dodging everything since the invasion started. Which is whatever. But we only have a few days left and it's time to actually do some shooting at each other.
 
In case anyone is lost in my mess of a post, I am using sorcery to conjoin the battle meditation effects of Boda and Sieger. This emotion will be close to the idea of filial piety minus the Confucianism, the idea that you must stand for what you love and believe in, but preserve yourself in order to protect what you love. The Shield generators and surrounding are will be the eye of the emotional "storm," and the shift should grow over time in surrounding areas. You're welcome to play it out how you like, for the most part, but this should be noticeable in the Force, and the shift should increase unless someone decides to tamper with it, as the hurricane of emotion will keep "feeding" on both meditations.
 

Progflaw99

Well-Known Member
[member="Mittens"]

Hey! Not to be a bother, but it seems like according to your post, that you've simultaneously moved across the battlefield and also called a significant hit on the FIV Wrath. I know the Summa-Verminoth is an incredibly powerful creature, but to cross the battlefield and make an attack as far as enveloping or ramming the Wrath in the same post doesn't really give us an opportunity to react. I doubt any of our vessels are going to just ignore the giant space kraken approaching the flagship of the Imperial Navy.

Edit:

[member="Kaine Australis"]

You mention the IFV Wraith, did you mean the FIV Wrath?
 

Mittens

So fluffy, you'll die
[member="Sieger Ren"]

Mittens' position hasn't changed. The Squib fleet is lobbing solid-mass objects at high speeds over long distances. Against the large, slow moving ships the FO uses, there isn't much "leading of targets" to worry about.



Sieger Ren said:
but to cross the battlefield and make an attack as far as enveloping or ramming the Wrath in the same post doesn't really give us an opportunity to react.

Well, the FIV Concordia moved roughly the same distance to get into the Wrath's shadow in a single post, so the distance between the arriving fleet and the existing, intertwined fleets can't be all that great, and the Summa-Verminoth should be moving at quite substantial speeds, since it came out of a slingshot maneuver and has been racing towards the FO fleet for two rounds of posts already. In that time, not once has anyone bothered to shoot at it. It was about time for it to hit something and I was going to have it attack the Palleon this post, but the Wrath showed up at a really bad time and presented a much better target.
 

Progflaw99

Well-Known Member
[member="Mittens"]

By you, I meant the Kraken, not Mittens, sorry I didn't clarify.

As far as the closing the distance, that still doesn't address the fact that you're literally giving the FIV Wrath 0 time to respond while making subsequent actions.
 

Progflaw99

Well-Known Member
[member="Mittens"]

That's what I mean. You've allowed no alternatives, you're dictating what does happen. Calling hits, especially when it involves PC'd vessels/characters is fairly commonly accepted as a no go. No one cares about NPC's, as their purpose is to drive forward the story but the problem here is that you're directly calling a hit.
 

Mittens

So fluffy, you'll die
[member="Sieger Ren"]

Bro. Chill. There are two days left. Let Cyrus come up with something and write a good post.

If the idea is clever and the physics work out, I'll take the hit. I've always taken the hit. I've taken immediate structural damage from HVC with fully shielded Battleships and I've let people one-shot my stupid, cocky wookiee because the opposing writer came up with a clever strategy and I wanted to reward him for it. And I let Cyrus pound on Beskar plated tanks, immobilizing them on the spot with heavy weapons fire when I really thought that it should have been more likely to just bounce off.

Just let Cyrus post man.

If he does me in, he does me in. And I can tell you right now, having looked at everything in the toolbox the FO handed him to play with? He's got me dead to rights if he uses the right tricks and strategies. If he doesn't? Well that just builds some excitement.

And really. So what if he's got squid on his face in the process?

For one. Not gonna lie. From a narrative point of view? That's kinda hilarious.

"I'm here to save the day!"
>whack<
"Ohmygod! It's on my face, it's on my face!"

That's gold. That's just gold. And I hope he rolls with it, because that's brilliant and I'll respect him for it.

Secondly. I'd be very surprised if we could squeeze in two more rounds of posting before the invasion ends.
And as nasty as that Kracken is, I really doubt Cyrus has any intention of letting his shiny new toy get broken in two posts.

If he does? I will freaking salute him for it, because that's amazing sportsmanship.
If he doesn't? It's whatever.
 

Progflaw99

Well-Known Member
[member="Mittens"]

[member="Mittens"]

The thing is, it's not just Cyrus who has to respond to your post, which was why I brought it up in the first place: because it involves my character.

Whether people have or haven't taken hits in the past, even in this thread is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. The problem stems from the traverse and action taken in one single post to attack the Wrath. It's generally frowned upon to do so, and I don't think it presents a very great option at collaborative writing. You're in no uncertain terms dictating a hit - and that's never been how this collaborative writing thing has worked unless agreed upon beforehand between writers.



I guess the easiest way to put it is this:

I'd like to see some compromise here, as closing the distance and dictating a hit is not something I feel is fair.
 

Mittens

So fluffy, you'll die
[member="Sieger Ren"]

I can promise to not omnom on your character (specifically) with a space-kracken, if that makes you feel better.

*cough*

But seriously.

I've already spend two posts chug-chugging along with the Kracken.
I really wanted to give you guys some fair time to respond, because I knew it was a really weird play. Hence the two-post delay between introducing it and having it hit.


In fact, I had been feeling bad for you guys in orbit and was trying to think of ways to pull that punch in particular and take some of the heat off Robo and friends.

Real talk?
The whales and junk?
That's all my fault.
At the beginning of this thread, as soon as I found out that the terms had been thrown out the window and there were no limiting factors on the fleeting, I just threw up my hands and gave up on an overarching naval strategy.
I told everyone to "Just bring whatever, I don't care. Just have fun with it."

Apparently, ORC Writers are the worst people in the world to say "Just have fun" to.

The Kracken was my way of showing the other ORC writers that I was crazier than they were. XD
But as more people kept wanting to jump into the fun and the FO writers started to look more and more out-gunned, I started to feel bad for them, and for the strategy I had come up with.

>_>

I was even considering some handwavery and ret-conning it to claim that the Kracken had been dead the whole time and just have it Bonk into Robo's ship. Claim that it had been a "weapon of terror" designed to demoralize the FO Sailors and get the FO Admiralty to panic and act rashly. I had actually been about to stop firing altogether and leave the other writers to it, claiming "fear of friendly fire."



But then Cyrus and Gromm popped up in-thread with no prier IC buildup to their arrival and did so immediately within weapons range.
And did so with... what? a combined 60-80km-ish fleet?

IRL, OOC, I have no idea how big the ORC fleet is. We stopped paying attention and I got tired of trying to herd cats.
IC, I'm pretty sure the FO have a larger force by a fair margin (thanks to Cyrus and Gromm's 11th hour arrival) and Robo hasn't even lost shields yet, in spite of the combined firepower leveled against him.


That's the perfect opportunity to focus on something else and you brought enough toys that now I really don't have to feel bad about how weird the Kracken was, strategy wise.

And while I totally get where you're coming from, I really do. The First Order already had two turns of that asset doing nothing, and they didn't bother to try and counter it. I've got four characters in this thread, it's down to the final two days, and haven't been able to get any of them into a fight yet. Heck, Robo didn't even acknowledge the last attack from Mittens and I just let it slide.

I'm chill with what's happening, but I just don't see a reason why I should hold off for another turn.
 
skin, bone, and arrogance
Kaine Australis said:
To everyone, those with tags and those without, thanks for an awesome Invasion time!

[member="Dano Dil"] [member="Jorus Merrill"] [member="Jada Raxis"] [member="Silara Varis"] [member="Rekha Kaarde"] [member="Mittens"], [member="Cathul Thuku"] [member="Mazik Stazi"] [member="Roth Tillian"] [member="Griet van Vliet"] [member="Grozurra"] [member="Karl Von Strauss"] [member="Natasi Fortan"] [member="The Major"] [member="Kou'ha Escala"] [member="Morro"] [member="Cynthia Alucard"] [member="Gromm Cardan"] [member=Robogeber] [member="Cyrus Tregessar"]

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I'll get you next time, Gadget! :D
 
skin, bone, and arrogance
[member="Grozurra"] Hello! I've not been getting your tags for some reason, so I apologize if I've missed any of your posts! I think there was some confusion on my end as well; we were under the impression that you would be editing your boarding post to give us an opportunity to defend against it, but given the amount of time passed, the amount of time left, and your character's continued adventures on the ship, I'm inclined to waive that courtesy request and proceed with crafting the story. I'm interested to work with you on addressing damage to the Concordia in response to your actions, but given the nature of the ship, its layout and security schemes, and the amount of damage it has taken, the further Mr. Wookiee gets into the ship, the less likely he will be, realistically, to escape it in one piece. If you are willing to work within a framework that acknowledges that risk, give me a shout and we can talk about how to go from here.

You can also reach me on Discord if that's more convenient :D
 

Mittens

So fluffy, you'll die
[member="Sieger Ren"]

I tell you what.
I think you're either over-thinking this or maybe just taking it a little too personal.
I'll give you a suggestion.

I threw the Kracken at the Wrath and I said that it impacted something.
That's it. "It ran into something."


Getting out of this is pretty simple.
Just give it something else to hit.

Cyrus has a vague-ish fleet of vague-ish size and vague-ish composition.

​React to the Kracken. Panic a little. "Oh god, what is that thing!? It's coming right for us!"
Shoot at it. Shoot at it a lot.
And then, at the last second, out of nowhere... An escorting Battlecruiser counter-rams the Kracken and the two go tumbling off past the Wrath.

The Battlecruiser and Kracken bump into the Wrath along the way, skip off the armor/shields, then tumble off into the distance.
Let the Kracken omnom the Battlecruiser.
Have the Wrath be damaged, but functional.
Wobbly shields, some missing armor plating, a few decks exposed to Vacuum.
But mostly fine.


And you can go on about your day.

No mess, no fuss, no need to get worked up with it.

You can even have some fun with it and have Cyrus spend the next 5 posts complaining because the Officer's Messhall got blown into space and now he'll have to eat with the enlisted "Like a peasant."


Getting hit and taking hit's isn't really all that bad. It can actually make things a lot more fun.
Lose shields, lose a wing, find out that one Ensign that you hated got sucked out into space and feel bad for feeling a little good about his fate.

It give you more opportunity to have inter-character interactions and to explore the emotional depth of your characters.
Spending the whole battle without losing shields is boring.
It's boring to write and it's boring to write against and it leaves people either salty of thinking poorly of you.

I mean.
Like I was saying earlier.
I backed myself into a corner with the rock-paper-scissors game.
There is this one thing that Cyrus could do.
It'd definately more of a Jon thing than a Cyrus thing...
But if he does it?
That's a wrap for Mittens.
All 20km of the Squib fleet would get wiped out in a single post and Mittens would get killed in the process.
And that's totally a hit I would take.


And I'd encourage you and Cyrus and the other FO writers to really consider what I'm saying here.
Because it creates a much better writing experience.
You can take hits, get damaged, and keep on going.
It lets you continue writing, but it also builds interest for yourself and your allies, as well as making your opposition more likely to actually WANT to roleplay with you in the future.

Like... Right now I have a Wookiee alone on a ship with four other Player Characters, and not a one of them will just hike up their britches and go face him themselves.

I had this whole thing in my head of the Grand Moff shooting Grozurra in the face and he just yoinks the gun out of her hand, pulls out a spray bottle, and squirts her in the face with it. "No. Bad Imperial, back to your room!" And then have him wonder off and try to raise Kaine on the comms like "Hey boss, what's that Moff look like again? You said he had gray hair, right?"

But nobody will do any more than toss random NPCs at him.


And Mishka? She's a little girl without a helmet on her head. And she's currently alone against three player characters and another three NPCs. And instead of having a gun in her hand, lake a sane person, she's got a metal sword and a wooden shield.
I've got the deck stacked as heavily against her as I can get it.
And yet, instead of just shooting at her and rolling with it, I'm getting argued with OOC about why I shouldn't be allowed to engage those characters at all.



I don't really care. Win, lose, or draw on this planet... Nobody on ORC's side really cares. (Ok, I mean... Cathul's writer is a little excited, but that's about it) Sure, it's a neat planet and we've gotten a little attached to the silly little blue Jar-jar type species that somehow manages to be "like Jar-jar" but also oddly endearing... but if we lose the species and the planet? Nobody cares. We just wanna have some fun. Hence the whales and all the other craziness.

I just worry that the FO is getting a little worked up over all of this OOC, and I want to let you know that... It's not that serious. Please just have some fun along the way.
 
Natasi Fortan said:
[member="Grozurra"] Hello! I've not been getting your tags for some reason, so I apologize if I've missed any of your posts! I think there was some confusion on my end as well; we were under the impression that you would be editing your boarding post to give us an opportunity to defend against it, but given the amount of time passed, the amount of time left, and your character's continued adventures on the ship, I'm inclined to waive that courtesy request and proceed with crafting the story. I'm interested to work with you on addressing damage to the Concordia in response to your actions, but given the nature of the ship, its layout and security schemes, and the amount of damage it has taken, the further Mr. Wookiee gets into the ship, the less likely he will be, realistically, to escape it in one piece. If you are willing to work within a framework that acknowledges that risk, give me a shout and we can talk about how to go from here.

You can also reach me on Discord if that's more convenient :D

Totally cool with that. I wasn't trying to escape with him.
If you can kill the wookiee, I'll applaud you for it. (also, pro tip, not a clone and not hauling seismic charges like a madman)
Off the bat, I know of... about two things that could one-shot him. But they're both non-lethal.

FYI, if he did try to escape, he'd just jump out a window and pull some General Leia stuff while dropping an Iron Giant "Superman" quote.

Right now, his goal is to break the fuel intake for the reactor so it can't jump to hyperspace (and hopefully screw with some other internal systems), and then sit there being such a nuisance that one of the PCs goes down there to deal with him themselves.



Also. btw.
I love that you guys put racing stripes on a star destroyer and rolled it into battle.
And then had your characters get all offended when the Coalition attacked it.
"Those savages! How dare they attack a diplomatic vessel!"
 

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