New Dominion Rule Vote

[Tefka]

This is what's being proposed:

The number of characters who aren't part of your faction should not exceed the number of those who are. Failure to adhere to this rule will result in a raising of the minimum post goal for the Dominion.

The concern expressed by the opposition is that too many non-Faction members take away from a faction's efforts in a Dominion.

I want to express very clearly that I do not believe this to be an issue of broken rules or fairness, despite what some people are saying. No Faction that has invited more members outside of the Faction to participate in it's Dominion has done anything wrong, and those Dominions are not to be retroactively targeted. Every Faction is currently capable of inviting as many people as they want to their Dominions and nobody will care, you can role-play your heart out and the Dominion will go unfettered so long as all other rules are satisfied.

This is an issue of how you think Dominions should be conducted.

If this reaches a 2/3 majority in favor of the new rule, I will push it in front of the Staff team and another vote will be taken. From there, I'll have a good idea what our decision is, and a decision will be made.

The Dominion Rules are located here.

Let's stop going round in circles with this debate and speak with your votes.

 

[Tefka]

Previous thread: http://starwarsrp.net/topic/53264-non-faction-members-should-not-exceed-faction-members-in-dominions/

 

[Elensa Jari]

The whole point of a Dominion is that it's designed to showcase the Faction and expand their political/military power through capture of a planet. If you need so many people outside your faction to accomplish this, your faction has technically not achieved this: it remains dependent on outside powers. That's not a Dominion, it's a capture made by others, with you receiving the benefit. Limiting the number of outsiders, to ensure at least equal participation by members of your Faction makes perfect sense.

 

[Fatty]

I personally do not know what to choose, given that I am capable of seeing both sides of the argument.

• One the one hand, I agree with the sentiment that Dominions should be an expression of faction activity.
• On the other hand, I agree with the sentiment that Dominions should be able to sometimes warrant a more public support base, as there can be IC justification for the use of an army of Mercenaries, opposition forces, and just general outside participation as a focus.

I can live with the rule in place or without, so I voted that I just don't care, cause I suppose in a way that is how I feel about the implementation of this proposed rule.

 

[Darth Athora]

Personally, I haven't ever seen non-faction members participating in a dominion. Except maybe one or two. So, sure why not.

 

[Tefka]

Independent contractors, alliances, etc. Rebels, rogue nations, etc.

All could be employed by Major Factions. I think it's funny how we're not cool with some rules enforcing arbitrary numbers on us because of the meta, but when Staff explicitly states it doesn't care in one particular instance - we still want it anyways.

I don't mind the outcome, but I still find the argument for this rule very weak. It's a PvE thread. It doesn't matter.

 

[Reverance]

[member="Fatty"]

I fully agree with both of those feelings you have, though I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Half faction, half non faction for a dominion is still a substantial input of public or non-faction support. I would say in most cases it doesn't really ever approach that but, to exceed that...well, what [member="Elensa Jari"] said.

 

[Tefka]

And for all of you complaining about the One Sith hype train, this rule would make their dominions much stronger. Having non-Faction members participate in your dominion is one way to tip the scales against such large Major Faction opponents as them or the Republic.

 

[Elensa Jari]

And for all of you complaining about the One Sith hype train, this rule would make their dominions much stronger. Having non-Faction members participate in your dominion is one way to tip the scales against such large Major Faction opponents as them or the Republic.

If you can't handle us, don't oppose us. Simple

 

[Aster Jen'allé]

I personally don't see a reason for this rule to be implemented. I mean, I don't think it would have negative repercussions, but I don't think it would do anything but arbitrarily restrict dominions for no other reason than to restrict them. I feel like as long as you have a minimum number of your own factions numbers, the number of non faction members shouldn't much matter (though I can see this being a complaint point when two factions are racing to dominion one planet)

 

[Tefka]

If you can't handle us, don't oppose us. Simple

Well, there's a reason this isn't a One Sith vote.

 

[Malok]

*facepalm*

Well, this sure spits in the face of factions/people specifically contacted for dominion opposition. And mercenaries too. And allied nations who founded their treaty on mutual defense and expansion assistance. And dear sweet Jesus, what about multi-faction folks?!

Yeah no, I disagree with this rule. It's a non issue in my opinion. The major factions aren't going around maliciously having non-members do 99% of the work for them. Folks are invited in for the sake of story and occasionally the numbers are skewed. But from what I've seen since the first dominion was launched, the trend has always been the faction is the one providing most of the posts.

*deposits $0.02*

 

[Kei Amadis]

Like I said before in the other thread.

People can just make alts for a dominion so it's a bit of a non issue either way.

The only thing swaying a no from me, is if someone wants to help for IC reasons for a bit of fun, but can't because their 1 over or something. Seems silly if i'm being brutally honest.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

I disagree entirely with the rule. Dominions are inclusive, not exclusive. And like [member="Darth Metus"] said, renders SO much RP irrelevant if disallowed.

Not cool.

 

[Fatty]

My voted has been altered to a no. I think this will hamper more than help, and only seeks to create controversy that rarely pops up and has a huge support base for non-faction members.

 

[Juggerduck]

I disagree with limiting who can participate in a Dominion. If a faction wants to outsource in order to achieve a certain goal, let them. It encourages active participation, which I'm pretty sure is the point.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

It's not about keeping outside members from participating, it's about making sure that people from the outside faction don't outweigh the actual faction members who are supposed to be doing the dominion.

If you don't have the activity, then why bother?

 

[Kei Amadis]

If you don't have the activity, then why bother?

For a fun plot, or IC reasons.

[member="Darth Vornskr"]

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Then this rule change shouldn't bother you, as it's only being brought up to prevent a faction from having an entire other group of individuals do their own job and sit back and reap the rewards of what should be their hard work.

[member="Kei Amadis"]

 

[Nyxie]

Statistically speaking, the new rule is very balanced. Factions on the lower end of the spectrum can't piggyback on other cliques or factions to grow where their active member base isn't growing with it and meriting this expansion, and at the same time, it's not overwhelming where the smaller ones can't actually still use third-party members to their advantage.

It's no longer a matter of opinion but mathematical fact. This scales up with each individual faction, so there's no way this could possibly hurt them unless they, by all the -other- rules, don't meet the requirements to either A ) be a major faction or B ) avoid influence decay, in which case the dominions using primarily third parties would be pointless anyways!

Bang. Boom. Done. Make this a thing please.