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Jedi Order Direction
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Kiskla Grayson-Matteo
Redeemer
Nothing is stopping anybody from keeping The Republic Banner.
The Academies will now be the go-to source for Jedi training and development, however. It is a learning resource rather than having it involved in the Republic Forums.
The Academies will now be the go-to source for Jedi training and development, however. It is a learning resource rather than having it involved in the Republic Forums.
You just worded it differently.Kiskla Grayson said:
It's the same thing as splitting the faction apart.
No.
I don't approve of that by any stretch as an individual of this Faction. I know I don't stand alone. If I want to continue to train under the Republic forums, I should be allowed to. The same can be said about any other individual who represents the Jedi Order for the Republic.
I shouldn't have to go to the Jedi Academy forums to do so as their own "What is the Jedi Academy?" Conflicts with every ounce of character development that has been put into Aaralyn from day one.
That is asinine.
I don't understand where this anti-Jedi sentiment appears to be coming from. I've not seen anyone complain about FU's, and a lot of work has gone into NFU stuff of late for a lot of people. So I don't get your argument, Kiskla. Taking the Jedi out of the Republic, figuratively speaking, is like taking the jelly out of a PB&J sandwich. It makes no sense unless you want your tongue stuck to the roof of your mouth.
Geneviève Lasedri
Fascists hate her!
You know there's already been made an Order of the Grey for this sort of alternate faction thing.
The people who have decided to play Jedi in the Republic instead aren't here just for training with lightsabers, that means.
*whispers* They like the Republic.
The people who have decided to play Jedi in the Republic instead aren't here just for training with lightsabers, that means.
*whispers* They like the Republic.
Varus Shatterstar
Finding Purpose
I think what Aaralyn is trying to say is that theres really not much of a point to all of this. Also, like I've said I don't know how many times before, the Jedi aren't guns for higher and they don't just help whoever they want to. The REPUBLIC aids their allies, not just the Jedi or the soldiers by themselves. That's because the Republic and the Jedi are the same thing...
I don't understand how we don't get this. You can start an academy as a sub faction OF the Republic if you like. Hell, you wouldn't even get any fuss out of me if that were the case, but estranging ourselves from our political allies is the wrong way to go. You may as well cut the Jedi down the middle and call your side, because this not only causes problems like this one (where half the faction gets pisssed) but it also weakens the crap out of both sides.
I don't understand how we don't get this. You can start an academy as a sub faction OF the Republic if you like. Hell, you wouldn't even get any fuss out of me if that were the case, but estranging ourselves from our political allies is the wrong way to go. You may as well cut the Jedi down the middle and call your side, because this not only causes problems like this one (where half the faction gets pisssed) but it also weakens the crap out of both sides.
Seraphina Shel'tah
Kinky Darth Pinky
I wasn't trying to say it was a power move, I was saying it was a terribly executed method of implementing a (proposed?) faction split. No vote, no discussion, nothing. Whomever was actually involved with this did it of their own volition, without even considering the opinions of anyone else in the faction. Then to add insult to injury, the ones who made this decision, whoever they may be, since we still collectively don't know how many people actually made this decision, have apparently only given an explanation to another select few through either PM or Skype. Heresay delivery of information is not ok.Aaralyn Rekali said:
A post was made, an IC & OOC sandwiched into one that stated the fate of every Jedi in the Republic. That post should have never been made without a general consensus, or discussion among the members. Period. It was quite simply wrong. I really don't see any reasonable excuse to back that decision up either, and thus far, the only thing resembling an excuse is something to do with NFUs saying they wanted the Jedi out, which none have actually come forward and openly stated thus far.
So, I am still questioning what happened here. It seems like there is a massive amount of miscommunication, or, non-communication going on between the faction, and the leadership.
The reason so many of us are upset is because the way this was gone about honestly felt like a massive kick to the stomach. We logged in to find out that our only opportunity to voice our opinions would be this thread, after the fact, after everything was apparently decided for us. Not to discredit the council who is attempting to fix the meltdown both IC and OOC, but the fact that it appears that even they didn't know about this is a really concerning fact.
Edit because I didn't see the last few posts before I submitted mine: I also don't feel I should be required to join another faction simply to continue the Jedi Order business for the Republic...The threads shouldn't have to be moved unless people want them vacated to the new faction. We should be able to leave the forums as is, and those who want theirs moved can do so.
Meeristali Peradun
Cat Dad
There is a lesson here.
As someone who's been doing the Faction Leader thing for... well, it'll be a year before long, there's a few things you should never skip out on doing:
I urge you all to learn this, and learn it well. Some of you have lead factions and may already know this... but some of you have not and will in the future. Do not make the mistake of forgetting to exercise due care in the running of your faction, or it will backfire on you.
Always be accountable to someone. Everyone needs someone to smack them upside the head sometimes and point out the personal idiocies we're all blind to.
If you don't know, if you aren't sure, by the gods, ask. There's many of us that are glad to help guide you on the path to awesome FL-ness. I'm one of them.
We're here for you.
As someone who's been doing the Faction Leader thing for... well, it'll be a year before long, there's a few things you should never skip out on doing:
- Always, always, always consult your Faction Admin team.
- Always, always, always keep your faction informed.
- Never, ever decide the fate or direction of a faction by yourself. An FL is supposed to only hold the power of the final word and the tie-breaking vote... and not that of solitary decision making.
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I urge you all to learn this, and learn it well. Some of you have lead factions and may already know this... but some of you have not and will in the future. Do not make the mistake of forgetting to exercise due care in the running of your faction, or it will backfire on you.
Always be accountable to someone. Everyone needs someone to smack them upside the head sometimes and point out the personal idiocies we're all blind to.
If you don't know, if you aren't sure, by the gods, ask. There's many of us that are glad to help guide you on the path to awesome FL-ness. I'm one of them.
We're here for you.
Avalore Eden
If there be light...
Here here.
Jsc
~Still Surfin
Corvus. Avalore.
This is clearly a Faction concern that needs to be handled OOC. Kiskla's IC Senate Thread and Kian Karr's IC Council Meeting. Lock those immediately and have this out. No more charades.
Steps:
Otherwise, Tef and the Staff will do what it has done before. Fire all of you, (Kiskla, Corvus, Avalore, and mod Kana), and replace you via a Faction Vote.
This is clearly a Faction concern that needs to be handled OOC. Kiskla's IC Senate Thread and Kian Karr's IC Council Meeting. Lock those immediately and have this out. No more charades.
Steps:
- Create a new Feedback Thread for the members to give their opinions,
- give us a date for your future target announcement on this issue,
- tell us nothing will change during the upcoming event,
- and then sit in council together as an Administration Team on Skype and figure out what Kiskla's up to.
- Then, on your target date, as a unified Administration Team, talk to us, the members, and give us the whole story.
Otherwise, Tef and the Staff will do what it has done before. Fire all of you, (Kiskla, Corvus, Avalore, and mod Kana), and replace you via a Faction Vote.
They have no reason to lock out our RP.Sam Jhovna said:Corvus. Avalore.
This is clearly a Faction concern that needs to be handled OOC. Kiskla's IC Senate Thread and Kian Karr's IC Council Meeting. Lock those immediately and have this out. No more charades.
Steps:
- Create a new Feedback Thread for the members to give their opinions,
- give us a date for your future target announcement on this issue,
- tell us nothing will change during the upcoming event,
- and then sit in council together as an Administration Team on Skype and figure out what Kiskla's up to.
- Then, on your target date, as a unified Administration Team, talk to us, the members, and give us the whole story.
Otherwise, Tef and the Staff will do what it has done before. Fire all of you, (Kiskla, Corvus, Avalore, and mod Kana), and replace you via a Faction Vote.
Please look at all the posts by [member="Meeristali Peradun"].
Avalore and Corvus have nothing to do with this nor did they present this.
The Staff would only intervene if someone asked them to, and at this point - no one has asked them to and it remains an internal matter. Tefka and Staff typically don't get involved unless tables are flipped and *pats table* I has no flipped any tables.
Let's not get hasty, really there is nothing wrong with the RP.
EDIT - Kiskla made her case of exactly what she meant - to which it's not what the members desire.
[member="Sam Jhovna"]
That would be super harsh andihopeitdoesnthappen. I mean, I want to make a power play and be a faction admin on one of my guys as much as everyone else, but I rather like Kiskla, Avalore, and Corvy.
I don't know you Kana, sorry gurlah .
Anyway, my self-righteous IC 'I told you so-ing' aside, I'll mayhaps give my piece.
On the issue of fixing up the NFU side of things, that's already been done folks. Gen is working his/her/whateveryouaremate (love you bud) butt of trying to get Senate legislation going which - as far as I've seen, is certainly not full of Jedi influence. It's rather the opposite really.
Soldier side, we're working together on the Dreadguard and other projects to up NFU activity, such as the NFU mission board that I hope will pick up traction after the event.
The triumvirate hasn't failed. It's working quite well.
On to the Jedi issue, I had no idea what the Jedi Academy thing was until someone bright it up here. It seems like a nice concept, but it's kind of irrelevant-ish.
Whatever I could say about the Pub/Jedi relationship has already been said. I think, personally, that splitting up is kind of silly, as I already did that with Ession, and the Silvers did that with their Syn alts. It'd probably be better if Republic Jedi were allowed to...just be Jedi I guess, but at the core, the Jedi are the defenders of the republic.
Then comes the issue of the Jedi Order being funded by the Republic's tax dollars which just makes a mess of things.
In summary: Mayhaps have the admins decide on the best course of action. Pulling this out of the blue was radical, but I'm positive it was not done maliciously. Jedi should stay with the Republic because we like having hot water in our showers. The Triumvirate is fine. NFU activity is spiking and it seems no one is paying attention to it except the NFUs.
And to those of you complaining about posting on a phone, fight me IRL m8. Been doing it for two months. Arthritis ain't got osik on me.
That would be super harsh andihopeitdoesnthappen. I mean, I want to make a power play and be a faction admin on one of my guys as much as everyone else, but I rather like Kiskla, Avalore, and Corvy.
I don't know you Kana, sorry gurlah .
Anyway, my self-righteous IC 'I told you so-ing' aside, I'll mayhaps give my piece.
On the issue of fixing up the NFU side of things, that's already been done folks. Gen is working his/her/whateveryouaremate (love you bud) butt of trying to get Senate legislation going which - as far as I've seen, is certainly not full of Jedi influence. It's rather the opposite really.
Soldier side, we're working together on the Dreadguard and other projects to up NFU activity, such as the NFU mission board that I hope will pick up traction after the event.
The triumvirate hasn't failed. It's working quite well.
On to the Jedi issue, I had no idea what the Jedi Academy thing was until someone bright it up here. It seems like a nice concept, but it's kind of irrelevant-ish.
Whatever I could say about the Pub/Jedi relationship has already been said. I think, personally, that splitting up is kind of silly, as I already did that with Ession, and the Silvers did that with their Syn alts. It'd probably be better if Republic Jedi were allowed to...just be Jedi I guess, but at the core, the Jedi are the defenders of the republic.
Then comes the issue of the Jedi Order being funded by the Republic's tax dollars which just makes a mess of things.
In summary: Mayhaps have the admins decide on the best course of action. Pulling this out of the blue was radical, but I'm positive it was not done maliciously. Jedi should stay with the Republic because we like having hot water in our showers. The Triumvirate is fine. NFU activity is spiking and it seems no one is paying attention to it except the NFUs.
And to those of you complaining about posting on a phone, fight me IRL m8. Been doing it for two months. Arthritis ain't got osik on me.
Actually - in many ways it has. We've had too many revolving doors.Graxin Rade said:
Either way, it should have been the Jedi Grandmaster, The Supreme Allied Commander and the Chief of State - Jedi, Military and Senate united.
That was the original idea/plan.
So, if it goes that route - I support it 10000000000%
*shrugs*
Jsc
~Still Surfin
What? Kiskla goes rogue and the rest of the Faction Staff is just supposed to sit here and eat it? No way. You lock the IC threads, take the step back, tell the members when the concern will be resolved, and move forward with a new proposition for the future of the Jedi Order.Aaralyn Rekali said:
Textbook Adminship.
Corvus Raaf
Adieu...
OK, it's getting feisty again...but I'm ready for ya...
And this is an OOC post - nothing whatsoever to do with Corvus (but I couldn't resist the gif). I did a similar thing once before - when the options for rebellion/OP merger were put forward. It was the first time I ever made my feeling known OOC. It was liberating and I'd like to think in some small way it helped us get to the place we did in the end.
And I'll add that I've taken my FA hat off too. I think I'm allowed to say what I, as a writer, think of all of this. And I'll start by saying that I for one don't want to spend another 15 hours on Skype. And I don't want a few people to sit in a locked room and decide anything.
The options on the table are still blurred. I spent (have I mentioned this before) 15 hours on Skype yesterday having everything explained to me. Every few hours I got it and then someone new would join the conversation and would confuse me and we'd start over.
Does this mean - in any way shape or form the decision to move to the Academy is wrong? No. But ambiguity is never a good thing when making a decision.
(If you haven't pulled up a chair by now, I'd advise it - I don't know how much longer I'll ramble on for)
Now you're all waiting for me to say something - and you're all going to be wrong. IC I'd say one thing - but as I came to realise when I spent 15 hours (oh, I said that before, right?) is that this isn't about Corvus. I have to think bigger than that.
What is my character? She's a Jedi. First, foremost and only. Yeah, I quote that a lot. And she is a guardian of peace and justice in the Galactic Republic. Cut her in half and...well, she'd die...but she'd also bleed 50% Jedi and 50% GR.
Why? Because that's how it was in the movies. When there was no OP or any other significant Government to defend. When I joined the boards, I was surprised the Jedi Order weren't a separate Faction. Allied to the GR but separate. That's how Jedi are supposed to be - independent. They're not a part of the Republic formally, they serve it.
What do I want? Well apart from a Giant Reese's Milk Chocolate Peanut Butter Bar (now available in the UK) I want harmony. I don't want Jedi rowing with Jedi. That just makes us look foolish.
So...here's the punchline. I'd like to see how the Academy plays out. I'd like to be part of it - to ensure that some of my fears don't come to fruition. If they do, I'll cross that bridge later. But don't write me off yet. I still want to be that 50/50 and so see no reason why I couldn't still be an FA here. Still have a voice here. It's just my training threads would be somewhere else. That's all.
Exclusivity? Irrelevant to me. I serve the Republic. Funny that. People used to mock my character for suggesting that's what she sees as her primary goal. To serve. But she'll serve this Republic until the day she dies (and if any Sithy are reading this, please don't make that any time soon, OK?).
So what am I saying? I want to remain 100% a servant of the Republic. And I see no reason why my training threads can't be somewhere else. I admit I for one went down a route where it was about a choice. Black or white. Absolutes (and you know who deal in them, eh?). Why can't I be a Jedi and a servant of the Republic. I think it's time we stopped thinking about it as either/or. It can and should be both.
Phew. Thanks for staying with me. And to put this is IC context - we're two days away from a Galactic Event. One where every Faction faces a common foe and the map is torn asunder. If that isn't the context for Jedi working together for the greater good - I'd like to know what is. And once things settle down, GR hat back on. Makes sense to me.
Oh, one last thing. All the time we're debating this, other Factions are busy organising and coordinating Campaigns for post-Event. And I'm writing War and Peace here!
Ron said it best...
[member="Avalore Eden"] | [member="Kiskla Grayson"] | [member="Kana Truden"]
And this is an OOC post - nothing whatsoever to do with Corvus (but I couldn't resist the gif). I did a similar thing once before - when the options for rebellion/OP merger were put forward. It was the first time I ever made my feeling known OOC. It was liberating and I'd like to think in some small way it helped us get to the place we did in the end.
And I'll add that I've taken my FA hat off too. I think I'm allowed to say what I, as a writer, think of all of this. And I'll start by saying that I for one don't want to spend another 15 hours on Skype. And I don't want a few people to sit in a locked room and decide anything.
The options on the table are still blurred. I spent (have I mentioned this before) 15 hours on Skype yesterday having everything explained to me. Every few hours I got it and then someone new would join the conversation and would confuse me and we'd start over.
Does this mean - in any way shape or form the decision to move to the Academy is wrong? No. But ambiguity is never a good thing when making a decision.
(If you haven't pulled up a chair by now, I'd advise it - I don't know how much longer I'll ramble on for)
Now you're all waiting for me to say something - and you're all going to be wrong. IC I'd say one thing - but as I came to realise when I spent 15 hours (oh, I said that before, right?) is that this isn't about Corvus. I have to think bigger than that.
What is my character? She's a Jedi. First, foremost and only. Yeah, I quote that a lot. And she is a guardian of peace and justice in the Galactic Republic. Cut her in half and...well, she'd die...but she'd also bleed 50% Jedi and 50% GR.
Why? Because that's how it was in the movies. When there was no OP or any other significant Government to defend. When I joined the boards, I was surprised the Jedi Order weren't a separate Faction. Allied to the GR but separate. That's how Jedi are supposed to be - independent. They're not a part of the Republic formally, they serve it.
What do I want? Well apart from a Giant Reese's Milk Chocolate Peanut Butter Bar (now available in the UK
) I want harmony. I don't want Jedi rowing with Jedi. That just makes us look foolish.So...here's the punchline. I'd like to see how the Academy plays out. I'd like to be part of it - to ensure that some of my fears don't come to fruition. If they do, I'll cross that bridge later. But don't write me off yet. I still want to be that 50/50 and so see no reason why I couldn't still be an FA here. Still have a voice here. It's just my training threads would be somewhere else. That's all.
Exclusivity? Irrelevant to me. I serve the Republic. Funny that. People used to mock my character for suggesting that's what she sees as her primary goal. To serve. But she'll serve this Republic until the day she dies (and if any Sithy are reading this, please don't make that any time soon, OK?).
So what am I saying? I want to remain 100% a servant of the Republic. And I see no reason why my training threads can't be somewhere else. I admit I for one went down a route where it was about a choice. Black or white. Absolutes (and you know who deal in them, eh?). Why can't I be a Jedi and a servant of the Republic. I think it's time we stopped thinking about it as either/or. It can and should be both.
Phew. Thanks for staying with me. And to put this is IC context - we're two days away from a Galactic Event. One where every Faction faces a common foe and the map is torn asunder. If that isn't the context for Jedi working together for the greater good - I'd like to know what is. And once things settle down, GR hat back on. Makes sense to me.
Oh, one last thing. All the time we're debating this, other Factions are busy organising and coordinating Campaigns for post-Event. And I'm writing War and Peace here!
Ron said it best...
[member="Avalore Eden"] | [member="Kiskla Grayson"] | [member="Kana Truden"]
Varus Shatterstar
Finding Purpose
Locking any of these threads is not the answer and that is most certainly not "Textbook Adminship" or whatever you just said. Threads only need to be locked when flaming occurs or things begin to get heated, much like this one is right now. So, I suggest a little more composure or we will have this thread closed instead of the two you've suggested.Sam Jhovna said:
I do agree that we need to take care of these issues, but we need approach it properly. That's why we have administrators like Avalore and Corvus, and I for one trust their judgement. If it were up to me I'd have Kiskla's IC post thrown out OR make a statement to the Republic that Kiskla does not control the direction of this faction as a whole, but that's not my choice. We'll have to wait and see what they decide to do, but until then stop complaining about it and if you have anything that shouldn't be brought up publically in a thread like this, like a comment made begrudgingly or anything said with the use of colorful language, it should instead be brought up in a PRIVATE MESSAGE.
Handle things in an adult manner. I don't want to see any useless flaming, raging or whining in this thread. It's gone perfectly fine so far and many well thought out opinions have been had and shared, and I'd be pretty upset to see this thread closed because someone couldn't help but to act foolish.
Varus Shatterstar
Finding Purpose
Also...Corvus Raaf said:OK, it's getting feisty again...but I'm ready for ya...
And this is an OOC post - nothing whatsoever to do with Corvus (but I couldn't resist the gif). I did a similar thing once before - when the options for rebellion/OP merger were put forward. It was the first time I ever made my feeling known OOC. It was liberating and I'd like to think in some small way it helped us get to the place we did in the end.
Your biceps look more like a Sarlacc tentacle.
You should work out.
[member="Corvus Raaf"]
I'm sorry but my position still stands, people should not be forced to join another Faction present or future to train a Republic Jedi.
It's simple.
It's easy enough to understand that forcing people to move their threads into a Faction that even in their "What is the Jedi Academy" conflicts with what you have done in your creative works. Isn't that asking alot of someone?
To clarify my position - I'm not attempting to tear or divide this Faction, I'm trying to prevent that very thing as I see no purpose in moving training and other threads related to the Jedi Order solely under the Jedi Academy banner.
I'm sorry but my position still stands, people should not be forced to join another Faction present or future to train a Republic Jedi.
It's simple.
It's easy enough to understand that forcing people to move their threads into a Faction that even in their "What is the Jedi Academy" conflicts with what you have done in your creative works. Isn't that asking alot of someone?
To clarify my position - I'm not attempting to tear or divide this Faction, I'm trying to prevent that very thing as I see no purpose in moving training and other threads related to the Jedi Order solely under the Jedi Academy banner.
Corvus Raaf
Adieu...
[member="Aaralyn Rekali"]
Just clarifying my position. Nobody is being forced. I've stated OOC what Corvus will do and why I arrived at that decision.
I'm simply telling it like I see it and how, without tearing this Faction apart, we can resolve this situation. But the IC Leadership might say no deal. It's their prerogative. Many members might say no. That's their prerogative.
The members might say they don't want me as an FA any more. That's their prerogative.
Me? I just want the GR to remain classy. But I think I've said that before.
Just clarifying my position. Nobody is being forced. I've stated OOC what Corvus will do and why I arrived at that decision.
I'm simply telling it like I see it and how, without tearing this Faction apart, we can resolve this situation. But the IC Leadership might say no deal. It's their prerogative. Many members might say no. That's their prerogative.
The members might say they don't want me as an FA any more. That's their prerogative.
Me? I just want the GR to remain classy. But I think I've said that before.