Jedi Order Direction

[Marona Rayheart]

Maybe its cause I'm new but ummm...... I don't see the reason for them to split? When I think republic I think the soilders and the Jedi, the army and the peacekeepers etc.....

That being said I can see how the Jedi in the republic might be viewed as stifling, I mean Like.... their Jedi lol

Personally though that just gives me a reason to further my soilder-make them give an impression etc.....

Well that and their supposed to be partners, support and protect the republic and all that.

That's my newbie two credits ^^

 

[Placeholder 0133]

As an active NFU in the faction, I for one enjoy using the Jedi as meat shields against the impossible darkness of darksidey dark that every other Sith Lord that we fight can conjure up

And they never let us hit them at a range. Ever. We need lightsabers.

We need the Jedi around, otherwise the Sith will lolvong it up, and that's no fun for anyone.

EDIT: Also, I'd rather have /more/ interaction with the Jedi. The Jedi and the NFUs rarely mix , and if I wanted to go rp solely with NFUs, I would have joined the Imperial Remnant.

 

[Writer]

[member="Seraphina Shel'tah"]

It's not a power move to be honest - It's always been a discussion to have the Jedi Order split from the Republic into a minor faction, just I never thought it would be done in such a manner.

I admit, I knew of such a thing, just not to be absorbed into a training center that has different philosophies, ect than the core of the Jedi Order. That much, I don't agree with or will stand by.

The original intention and please listen - read carefully - consider.

The intention of [member="Popo"], myself and [member="Kiskla Grayson"] last year to split the Jedi Order from the Republic and into a minor faction was to keep them solely based as they are now - hierarchy and all.

They would become a sub-faction that would be essentially less dependent in war-time function? However, given the current state of the war that is a bit difficult to assume that role. Either way, it was going to allow individuals to gather up the NFUs and focus more on the Navy and Army - [member="Veino Garn"] was apart of it with an alt when I was running around as Alarice Mollari - we even had an old Fleet Admiral come back active and participate. Probably the largest NFU activity since I was apart of the Republic- then it fell apart because someone wasn't happy they didn't get a promotion and left (Funny thing is, person quit the forums two weeks later.) Then others left because we passed a bill in the Senate which called for the execution of Sith operatives.

NFU activity took a heavy dive. I took alot of blame, blah blah - history.

Anyways, I can't tell you what happened or why it's happening now.

 

[Writer]

As an active NFU in the faction, I for one enjoy using the Jedi as meat shields against the impossible darkness of darksidey dark that every other Sith Lord that we fight can conjure up

And they never let us hit them at a range. Ever. We need lightsabers.

We need the Jedi around, otherwise the Sith will lolvong it up, and that's no fun for anyone.

EDIT: Also, I'd rather have /more/ interaction with the Jedi. The Jedi and the NFUs rarely mix , and if I wanted to go rp solely with NFUs, I would have joined the Imperial Remnant.

You wanna take some shots at me at the range - come on big boy.

*throws back on subject*

 

[Veino Garn]

I'm still around as an NFU, just switched back over to groundpounding and sniping when people more passionate about fleeting got involved.

 

[Alan]

Dude the idea of turning the Jedi into a sub faction already exists like in twenty instances

I vote no

It's dumb

Alan no like

 

[Mr. OOC]

[member="Corvus Raaf"]

Whoever told you that lied. I need my Jedi protectors.

 

[Haytham Kaze]

Jedi should help whoever needs it.

Regardless of who it is.

other than if it's the sith, if it is then they should be allowed to be curbstomped.

not even a reason to have multiple factions or to splinter it, but okay

 

[Bubák]

I see people using the example of helping Red Ravens alot, but I think it is not the best example. They are basically gangsters, no? Their Sith allies aside, I think that is enough of a reason for Jedi not to help them, the faction as a whole I mean. Then again, it does not mean a Jedi should not help their ordinary citizens in need. A Jedi helps everyone, not just Republic citizens exclusively. When it comes to the innocents, it must not matter where they come from. Sith space, Republic borders,... it does not matter.

I think the Imperial Remnant would be a better example. To my knowledge, they are not allied with the Sith, yet they dislike the Republic. Many Jedi automatically think of them as enemies and I don't believe that's a good thing. While they dislike the Republic, they are not a violent group. They simply want to live in their space with their own ideology. Jedi are about tolerance and peace, not antagonizing everyone who does not love the Republic. I think the Jedi thing to do would be to help them and the Republic reach some agreement and ensure the peace between the factions is kept.

As for leaving the Republic... I am not sure. I mean, why? Can't a Republic Jedi help other factions if it does not go against the Jedi Code and Republic's interests? Can't a Republic Jedi promote peace between factions instead of advancing the Republic's interests exclusively? Jedi are protectors of peace in the galaxy, not just in the Republic, they serve the people of the galaxy, not the senate or the Republic, so distancing a bit might not be a bad thing. What I think the Jedi should definitely stop doing is pushing the Republic as the only viable government in the galaxy. Many cultures exist within the galaxy and democracy is not always the best option for peace.

 

[Alan]

Jedi are part of the Republic canonly


doesn't mean they exclusively help the Republic, yo


drops mic

 

[Writer]

[member="Elizie Adasca"]

I want to touch on this briefly - The Jedi helped the Mandalorians in the Clone Wars but weren't able to directly get involved in the internal conflict.

I mean we're not saying we won't help people, that has never been the case but we're not going to go help people who obviously are aligned with the One Sith. I mean, the Jedi did help the Hutt Cartel but it was for mutual gain.

*shrugs*

I just think there needs to be more formal ways to go about it than there are. I think policies and things that have never truly been established need to be established. There are so many broken items and no one has true understanding. We aren't saying we won't assist but I mean come on, common sense.

Back on subject - I don't see the discontent in the NFU presence so far that has been spoken of.

 

[Meeristali Peradun]

I think I'm seeing a turn of this thread for more positive fields! Phew. Let's keep that going! Alright, for a furthering of the relevant subject here... a few questions. Please answer clearly, objectively, and civilly as possible. If you're feeling too incensed to speak kindly, please take a break and come back to this when your head's a little clearer.

1. How do you think broaching this contentious idea of a split could have been done better? - Hypothetically. Think about how you would have it done, even if you're against the idea. Being able to consider the other side is a huge part of personal growth, even if this isn't the final outcome.

2. What you you think could be done better for a whole Republic (whole = INCLUSIVE OF THE JEDI ORDER)? Tell me what you'd like to see out of the Republic for NFUs and FUs, both together and individually. This is what we want, so let's work to keep it!

3. Based on your answer(s) for question two, how do you think your idea(s) could be accomplished? - Think it through. The faction belongs to the members, after all, so... wouldn't you like to have a little more input? Don't just leave all the work up to the administration! They won't know what's in your heart and mind if it's not said!

 

[Geneviève Lasedri]

I'm going to step in for a moment as your wonderful Chief of Senate and talk about democracy.

Forcing an idea on a majority by an obvious minority is not democracy. Nor is it respectful of the rights of RPers by forcing them to take part in something that they have no IC choices in.

And on another note, I play a couple of NFUs in this faction and have never regretted participating in any RP with Jedi comrades. I'd very much like to see where you got this notion that the Jedi were unwanted.

All of this is entirely nonsensical and unethical.

 

[Writer]

1. Leave it alone, a split is something that isn't going to work at all. You want social networking through a Jedi Academy, then that is fine - leave that as it be. If there are members who wish to leave such as Master Grayson and others, please take your leave and we'll get back to it. I would look at what is broken and fix it from within - Master/Apprentice systems, the whole nine yards before I focused on a completely outside entity with training and the like. A dead horse is well, dead.

2. Continue to bolster NFU activity. We see the Senate pick-up. Continue to encourage NFU/FU merged activities and training sessions as [member="Book"] mentioned. Reinstate the Antarian Rangers which will also encourage this. Fix the broken system within the Jedi Order to organize and better clear up the system where Jedi get left behind or ignored for an extended period of time. Find new ways to increase activity outside of the general Republic forms beyond just combat, dominions, ect.

3. Easy - Leadership. OOC Leadership has done what they can. If they desire to move on, let them. Elect new people who haven't tried it or continue to put our trust in Corvus and Avalore. Put Kian or Corvus in as Grandmaster and let the Council actually try to make changes. Let the Senate work, let the Military get off the ground - actually let things mold into something and take action before dissolving everything and calling it a day. So - Leadership and Action. Also teamwork, I don't care if you have high-end OS alts, but stop coming around and trying to make things about "Everyone hates the One Sith around here!" People should feel comfortable to speak their mind without worrying about being tag-teamed by individuals - regardless of who they root for - new or old. If you also have an issue with someone - discuss it with them like an adult, passive aggressive likes and all this drama llama crap really is degrading.

Yeah that last bit was specifically addressing certain events in which each time I speak of something - I feel like I'm targeted - it's how I feel. I feel harassed. I don't feel welcome and I generally come off as defensive and upset in nature because of it. It's the same people, time and time again. Someone told me finally what it is - I make myself an easy target - sad part is, aren't you supposed to be adults and wanting to have fun? Why ruin my fun? Regardless, it isn't about that it's about betterment of the Republic and that is just a drop of water in the pond. Teamwork, regardless of how I feel as an individual is an important element.

[member="Avalore Eden"] | [member="Corvus Raaf"] - I meant to tag you both on that in a good way. *tosses roses* I know I annoy you both but I mean well!

 

[Avalore Eden]

<3

 

[Camellia Swift]

I saw idea stuff so militarily I did have an idea regarding how to approach invasions, battles, objectives. . . . .

DROPS THINGS AND FLEES!!!

If it could be done I'd assign a Jedi Knight/Master with Battle Meditation to a Naval & Army Commander each for every invasion. Meaning also that in every invasion I'd want 2-3 naval/army officers to command NPC units in well written attacks against enemy NPC Vong/Sithspawn forces and to better go after objectives and/or just keep the enemy NPCs off our PC characters. Also I'd form strike teams out of a Knight/Padawan duo and 2 PC Republic Commando types and 3-4 NPC units for a squad to go after each objective together.

ya know, a general like how Stahlmann is Admiral so groundside we have someone organizing infantry/droid charges, tank brigades, and artillery strikes on the enemy vong/sithspawn/defenses. And someone with battle meditation to counter Sith Illusions like they're using on us right now at Prakith.

Plus a lot of times duels erupt that bog down people and I know we've been suffering some casualties. lots of people just go in alone. Knight/Padawan or Master/Padawan duos with a Republic Commando Unit (2 PCs and 2-4 NPCs in elite armor)could probably better coordinate attacking an objective or Sith Lord.

 

[Meeristali Peradun]

[member="Aaralyn Rekali"] | [member="Camellia Swift"]

Yes, YES! Idears, discussionings! GIVE US MOAR, PRECIOUS. ^_^

 

[Writer]

We also need a solid rank structure in the Navy and Army - One that is clear and concise.

Get rid of this Grand Admiral and Supreme Overlord of the Awesome Six Figure Suplex poodoo.

Fleet Admiral, ect. Vice Admiral, ect. 10 rank structure, promote legitimately based on merit. I'd even find a way not to be lazy and do the awards design and what not so people could build their own ribbon racks.

Also, the Triumvirate isn't working apparently as I desired it to be when I first suggested it last year - Although I suggested it as an inter-Faction one.

Get rid of it.

Don't go the Supreme Chancellor route. Re-design the entire system around the New Republic system of government.

Chief of State, Prime Minister, Chair of the Senate - Executive Branch.

Minister of Defense, Minister of Finance or the Ministries.

Neither system has worked and the entire New Republic system of government has been avoided completely.

 

[Kiskla Grayson-Matteo]

Not to back track the progression, but just so everyone knows:

Points to me being a terrible communicator. Always have been to vague and then suddenly abrupt. It’s a thing I do, and it affects all of you.

Let me start by saying this isn’t an arrangement of leaving vs. staying. This is just separating the factions. This is not making you choose between The Republic and The Academies. This is informing IC leadership that Jedi are no longer to be perceived as exclusively tied to The Republic. The choice to choose did not come from me; this was just posted as a segue to the introduction of the Academies where an NPC leadership was established.

You can remain within The Republic as your major faction, if you’d like. I said that. The Academy is to further develop The Jedi — to open more opportunities for training and Jedi Characters, while setting up The Republic to focus on the NFU characters.
There are academies in all major faction areas (if allowed) as neutral bases. This opens up galactic territory to us — beyond perceived major faction boundaries. Every Jedi is accountable for their own actions.

Also, this way, The Republic can push it’s agenda without concern of The Jedi — right now, its undeniably influenced by Jedi characters and is muddled.

To clear things up: I am not making a new minor faction. The Academies linked in the post is all there is. There is no new TJO.
This is not the move of a nazi-decision maker. Kiskla established a council in case she was not around for this very moment. This council was CC’d. The entire purpose of the council, and an NPC Grandmaster, and the original dissolution of the council for that matter, was to eventually set up the route for an NPC Leader. A single figurehead is not realistic, nor fair. I’ve never used Kiskla for power plays.

This post was made IC for IC reactions, with an OOC explanation available.

If there are further questions, or unaddressed concerns, please @me so I get the notification.

Thanks!

 

[Writer]

Let me start by saying this isn’t an arrangement of leaving vs. staying. This is just separating the factions. This is not making you choose between The Republic and The Academies. This is informing IC leadership that Jedi are no longer to be perceived as exclusively tied to The Republic.

[member="Kiskla Grayson"]

This is the portion that bothers the people the most - this is the same notion as the other Jedi factions out there.

I believe what people are saying is that if they desired to be as such - they would join those other Jedi Factions and not be apart of the Jedi Order under the Republic banner.

However, I could be mistaken.