Jedi and Sith: What's the Difference?

[Disciple]

I'll HAVE YOU KNOW GOING NUTS TURNED OUT QUITE WELL FOR ME.

 

[Daxton Bane]

I happen to look forward getting there

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

Uh-huh. You went from being mildly eccentric to deeply absurd in the space of a heartbeat. Good for you, terrible for those of us that have to observe without ever indulging in that overwhelming urge to fasten you into a straitjacket and lock you in a padded box. Before dumping it into the ocean. With weights.

 

[Disciple]

JOKES ON YOU I'M ALREADY DEAD

*runs off cackling, arms flailing*

 

[Darth Carnifex]

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Music as Disciple runs away.​

 

[Akaan'ade Be'Solus]

While we're in a force related thread, what's the deal with non force users and lightsabers? Can they wield them?

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Yeah, they can wield them... but using them correctly is a different story.

 

[Sandis Veeran]

General Grievous used a lightsaber, and he couldn't use the Force. However, Kreia once said that sometimes Non-Force users are stronger than Force Users, because those attuned to the Force relied on it to a point where they were broken when they could not use it.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

Only with respects to the Force itself: take the Force away from a Jedi or a Sith, and it's very much like losing a limb. Your senses aren't what they used to be, your co-ordination is off, and you lack that intuition and insight that would once have made you a highly reactive, very dangerous and well-prepared individual.

Now, Grievous did prove that a non-Force User can wield a lightsaber, and even to deadly effect, but remember, he was cybernetically enhanced, so his sole tool in being able to kill Jedi was in that he possessed a mechanically-derived speed that, as we all know, moves well past the capabilities of flesh and blood sentient beings. That observed, he lacked the Force and the intuition it offers those who are sensitive to it - thus was only able to analyse a situation based upon perceptual thought rather than special insight, so he literally could only deal with the cards dealt as he saw them. A Jedi or Sith have that little touch of precognition that allow them to react to a situation and also to alter their reaction to it: how you'd respond to a guy throwing a ball at the back of your head is different if you know he's going to do it just beforehand (even a split-second of precognition makes a big difference).

More to the point, lightsabers are tricky things to wield, because the weight is all in the hilt. It can be used by someone not attuned to the Force (though as "I, Jedi" indicated, a lightsaber constructed by a Force User is far more than a mere weapon, and is bonded to them in ways beyond the physical). You could train to use one, and even do it well, but it would require a considerable level of finesse, and would very much be a different art to, say, wielding a sword or vibroblade, because even with the same techniques of attack, defense etc (parries, thrusts, slashes, blocks etc), the very nature and handling of the lightsaber would make it a very tricky weapon for anyone not blessed with extrasensory perception to master effectively.

 

[Akaan'ade Be'Solus]

So can I find a lightsaber somewhere and use it in RPs decently, or do I have to get training?

 

[Darth Carnifex]

You'd be able to swing it around with no technique, but you wouldn't stand a chance against any Sith or anything like that.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

You'd definitely need training of some sort, and using a normal lightsaber to do that would be dangerous indeed. Even Padawans/Acolytes don't traditionally train with the field versions - they'll train with low-powered ones, so a cut going astray only causes a graze or burn, rather than a sudden loss of limb. It's not a weapon to be handled lightly, simply because it has a very different balance and intuitive feel than any other weapon you'd ever be likely to handle.

 

[Akaan'ade Be'Solus]

I see. Anyone want to train me?

 

[Daxton Bane]

A found light saber is always inferior to a crafted one though.

 

[Akaan'ade Be'Solus]

I left whether or not Kal can use the force (necessary to make a lightsaber, or so I think) up to interpretation, as demonstrated in the Screams Of The Dragon thread, where it is not clear if he is feeling the dark side or just delusional. Still, anyone like to train me?

 

[Disciple]

3 training threads are needed for Neutrals to use lightsabers proficiently.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

That's a good rule of thumb. I like it

 

[Daxton Bane]

Well technically I could train you as I train neutral as well as Sith, the only problem is our people are at war at the moment.

 

[Sandis Veeran]

War. War never changes.

 

[Daxton Bane]

You can't fight human nature.....