Teynara Jeralyr
Resident Sig Lord
[member="Jamie Pyne"]
Don't make me beat you with something heavy...
Don't make me beat you with something heavy...
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[Guide] How to write a Sith - Part 6 (Conversion)
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Delicate
[member="Tirdarius"] I'm not afraid of you grandpa!
Teynara Jeralyr
Resident Sig Lord
[member="Jamie Pyne"]
Eternal Father
Errybody in the club gettin' belligerent
Ryn'Dhal
Silver Shroud
*popcorn eating intensifies*
Asmus Janes
Trouble
Tirdarius said:
Teynara Jeralyr
Resident Sig Lord
[member="Asmus Janes"]
We covered this in some of the other posts: Anakin had been dabbling in the darkness for years, and had been groomed by the Sith Lord. He was a Jedi in name only, and had been for a long time. The guy was accepted but never embraced because he was a warrior in a time of war: exactly what the Jedi felt it needed to survive. But he was no true Jedi, and that was why he was so easy to push in the wrong direction. That ought to be obvious!
We covered this in some of the other posts: Anakin had been dabbling in the darkness for years, and had been groomed by the Sith Lord. He was a Jedi in name only, and had been for a long time. The guy was accepted but never embraced because he was a warrior in a time of war: exactly what the Jedi felt it needed to survive. But he was no true Jedi, and that was why he was so easy to push in the wrong direction. That ought to be obvious!
Success or Death.
[member="Tirdarius"]
Great stuff all the way. I never get tired of reading your things. Keep up the good work!
That is legitimately hilarious.
Great stuff all the way. I never get tired of reading your things. Keep up the good work!
Mala Arar said:
That is legitimately hilarious.
Asmus Janes
Trouble
[member="Tirdarius"]
Can you provide some canon precedents on fallen Jedi who were returned to Acolyte levels of ability? I'd expect the flip side to be more easy to find. The Light side is not the easy path.
Can you provide some canon precedents on fallen Jedi who were returned to Acolyte levels of ability? I'd expect the flip side to be more easy to find. The Light side is not the easy path.
Teynara Jeralyr
Resident Sig Lord
[member="Asmus Janes"]
The Dark Side isn't the 'easy' path, either: it's seductive, and grants power in exchange for servitude to the Dark Side, which invariably screws you over in some fashion. It might sap your physical strength/life force, might screw with your head...there are plenty of examples of that. The Jedi warn of it being the easy path because, to their mind, it requires less discipline and control to obtain - what they're actually talking about there is becoming a Dark Jedi, the kind of being who randomly gives in to impulse (particularly destructive ones). True Sith are patient, disciplined and capable - as much, if not sometimes moreso, than any Jedi. It's the sort of slanderous smear that normally gets attached to 'the enemy'.
As for the example requested, honestly, there aren't many canonical examples, because most of the Jedi who turned to the Sith did so in dramatic fashion and with an existing Sith teacher: Exar Kun turned with aid of the spirit of Marka Ragnos, Dooku was trained by Sidious, Anakin himself had been turned gradually over the space of a decade. There's really no path to being a Sith that leads to it being otherwise.
I'd also add, once again, that you do miss the point slightly: the moment in which a Jedi is turned is their most vulnerable point, the one in which they are at their weakest, because they are fragile psychologically, have turned away from the Light Side (and thus cannot use it without reverting to Jedi methodology), and must learn their Sith/Dark Side methodology. That can take time, but once they have, they'll be fully as powerful (if not moreso) than they were before: their bodies are used to drawing upon Force energy, and they already know how to channel it. The reason they become Acolytes in certain respects is a) they know absolutely zip about being Sith,
because they don't initially start off knowing how to tap into the Dark Side (unless pre-conditioned, as is often the case!) and c) they need to train under a Sith in order to achieve that level of development.
There really aren't any canonical instances of a Jedi turning that aren't guided, in some fashion, by the Sith. That's where their transition from Jedi to Sith comes, and that's where they learn to develop their abilities via the Dark Side, thus achieving the power levels they might previously have had. But we always eternally skip that bit in books and films because it's boring. Nobody wants to see the new bad guy learning to be a better bad guy: they just want the war! But common sense says they can't use the Force the same way: how could they? They go from a methodology focused around clear-headed emotionless objectivity to one that uses raw emotional energy to draw on the Force. Jedi and Sith training takes decades in both instances: a Jedi turning to a Sith can skip out on the basics, but they cannot avoid needing to train because they have to have an adjustment period. That's just common sense: it'd be like asking an American footballer to play Rugby without requiring them to take time to learn new rules and tactics, just because they can run with a ball. That's moronic.
The Dark Side isn't the 'easy' path, either: it's seductive, and grants power in exchange for servitude to the Dark Side, which invariably screws you over in some fashion. It might sap your physical strength/life force, might screw with your head...there are plenty of examples of that. The Jedi warn of it being the easy path because, to their mind, it requires less discipline and control to obtain - what they're actually talking about there is becoming a Dark Jedi, the kind of being who randomly gives in to impulse (particularly destructive ones). True Sith are patient, disciplined and capable - as much, if not sometimes moreso, than any Jedi. It's the sort of slanderous smear that normally gets attached to 'the enemy'.
As for the example requested, honestly, there aren't many canonical examples, because most of the Jedi who turned to the Sith did so in dramatic fashion and with an existing Sith teacher: Exar Kun turned with aid of the spirit of Marka Ragnos, Dooku was trained by Sidious, Anakin himself had been turned gradually over the space of a decade. There's really no path to being a Sith that leads to it being otherwise.
I'd also add, once again, that you do miss the point slightly: the moment in which a Jedi is turned is their most vulnerable point, the one in which they are at their weakest, because they are fragile psychologically, have turned away from the Light Side (and thus cannot use it without reverting to Jedi methodology), and must learn their Sith/Dark Side methodology. That can take time, but once they have, they'll be fully as powerful (if not moreso) than they were before: their bodies are used to drawing upon Force energy, and they already know how to channel it. The reason they become Acolytes in certain respects is a) they know absolutely zip about being Sith,
because they don't initially start off knowing how to tap into the Dark Side (unless pre-conditioned, as is often the case!) and c) they need to train under a Sith in order to achieve that level of development.There really aren't any canonical instances of a Jedi turning that aren't guided, in some fashion, by the Sith. That's where their transition from Jedi to Sith comes, and that's where they learn to develop their abilities via the Dark Side, thus achieving the power levels they might previously have had. But we always eternally skip that bit in books and films because it's boring. Nobody wants to see the new bad guy learning to be a better bad guy: they just want the war! But common sense says they can't use the Force the same way: how could they? They go from a methodology focused around clear-headed emotionless objectivity to one that uses raw emotional energy to draw on the Force. Jedi and Sith training takes decades in both instances: a Jedi turning to a Sith can skip out on the basics, but they cannot avoid needing to train because they have to have an adjustment period. That's just common sense: it'd be like asking an American footballer to play Rugby without requiring them to take time to learn new rules and tactics, just because they can run with a ball. That's moronic.
Froste
Lord of Despair
[member="Tirdarius"]
I was feeling kinda stuck with my Sith character before reading through these, but now I've got a few ideas on where to bring him next
Thank you so much for these beautifully written guides.
I was feeling kinda stuck with my Sith character before reading through these, but now I've got a few ideas on where to bring him next
Thank you so much for these beautifully written guides.
Siriwook
Active Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7YoTirdarius said:
Klesta
The King of Ergonomic Assessments
By the same token, not every Sith who go to the light can become proper Jedi either, no more than a Jedi can become a proper Sith once they fall to the dark side. Hence the idea of Light Sith: it would be much the same as Dark Jedi when Jedi fall to the dark side but a Light Sith is what one gets when a Sith goes to the light and isn't a proper Jedi.
Quietus
Hunting Again
Uh, no. We'd just call that a failure and leave it at that.
The 12th Doctor
I've got question mark underpants.
That's the best one-sentence summary of the Prequel Trilogy I've ever read.Jay Scott Clark said:
Teynara Jeralyr
Resident Sig Lord
Couldn't agree more. 'Light Sith' is as oxymoronic as 'Dark Jedi', really. If you're Light, you're not Sith. If you're Dark, you're not Jedi. People are just too lazy to go with the proper name, which is 'Can't stand to be bound by doctrine, so I'm going my own way, 'kay?'. At that point, you're just a confused and unaffiliated Force UserBlackthorne said:
It's mostly used by people who want to be able to use Force Lightning while being really nice people, or those who think that they can embrace the Darkness but still be Jedi. Ridiculous either way, quite frankly.
Eternal Father
Dark Force User is a way better term than Dark Jedi anyways.
[member="Tirdarius"]
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Teynara Jeralyr
Resident Sig Lord
[member="Darth Carnifex"]
Yup, absolutely. Because they are. A Jedi submits to a code of practice and a specific methodology. There are Fallen Jedi, those have lost their way, but Dark Jedi are Force Users aligned with the Dark who aren't Sith. Just as Sith must wield the Dark, and live by an ideology specific to them, there can be no 'Light Sith', for such beings live in the Light and are not Sith by any definition, other than 'Former Sith'.
Yup, absolutely. Because they are. A Jedi submits to a code of practice and a specific methodology. There are Fallen Jedi, those have lost their way, but Dark Jedi are Force Users aligned with the Dark who aren't Sith. Just as Sith must wield the Dark, and live by an ideology specific to them, there can be no 'Light Sith', for such beings live in the Light and are not Sith by any definition, other than 'Former Sith'.
Quietus
Hunting Again
Do Light Sith use Lightish-Red Lightsabers?