Tacky Thing
People don't do this?Micah Talith said:
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Furthering the "United Jedi Order"
- Thread starter Ilias Nytrau
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More Tea?
[member="Kaia Starchaser"]
Not sure if being cheeky... <_<
Yes, some people roleplay in faction forums, for one reason or another. I personally don't like to, but that's no matter; everyone is encouraged to carry out their IC threads in the main roleplay forums.
Not sure if being cheeky... <_<
Yes, some people roleplay in faction forums, for one reason or another. I personally don't like to, but that's no matter; everyone is encouraged to carry out their IC threads in the main roleplay forums.
Kitani Corandel
Jedi Academy Student
Micah Talith said:
I really second this so much. Just join the Jedi Academy networks and make sub posts were everything is seen and can be organized. Lets hurry up and take this first step for force sake!
[member="Micah Talith"] [member="Ilias Nytrau"]
I see a need for a Council to some extent - there is too much out there where Jedi aren't controlled in some manner.
That being said - they should be represented by their individual Factions, in the manner that has already been mentioned in previous replies above - keep it simple and on point. Each individual Faction is responsible for their own promotions and jurisdiction over punishment, etc. Should an issue arise that becomes a bigger problem - the Council can convene and discuss as one, for the sake of all Jedi.
*shrugs*
You all will never get it to a point where you will be One Jedi Order or The True Jedi or whatever - everyone has their own ideas and opinions and wants specific things run a certain way. NPCs are great but as mentioned before, can be manipulated in a way that benefits other players - as can higher ranks, however, I don't believe that people are that immature to take a writing game and manipulate something to where they have absolutely nothing to gain from it but that is whatever.
This is probably a redundant opinion but that is what I think.
That being said - they should be represented by their individual Factions, in the manner that has already been mentioned in previous replies above - keep it simple and on point. Each individual Faction is responsible for their own promotions and jurisdiction over punishment, etc. Should an issue arise that becomes a bigger problem - the Council can convene and discuss as one, for the sake of all Jedi.
*shrugs*
You all will never get it to a point where you will be One Jedi Order or The True Jedi or whatever - everyone has their own ideas and opinions and wants specific things run a certain way. NPCs are great but as mentioned before, can be manipulated in a way that benefits other players - as can higher ranks, however, I don't believe that people are that immature to take a writing game and manipulate something to where they have absolutely nothing to gain from it but that is whatever.
This is probably a redundant opinion but that is what I think.
Jsc
~Still Surfin
Some additional thoughts I'd like to add. Great comments everybody. 
- 1. Yes. Please grab the leaders/ambassadors from the Orders and get them talking IC immediately. The independents, (like myself), can bandwagon once the IC needs of the Orders have been defined on paper.
- 2. Control. You cannot control the Jedi. Oversight is impossible in this game. Writers are free and allowed, (and always will be,) to define 'Jedi', live 'Jedi', and be good or bad 'Jedi' at their leisure. Forever. Please understand. Please. There will never be a single Faction that lays claim to the Holy Jerusalem of the name 'Jedi'.
- 3. See point 1.
More Tea?
Thank you to everyone whom has contributed to the discussion so far! Many excellent points have been made!
I'll be re-summarising and adding more thoughts this evening, after work tomorrow, as well as putting some thought towards getting us to some IC progress. Please, by all means continue to add your thoughts, any and all of you, if you have anything constructive to say.
I'll be re-summarising and adding more thoughts t
Honestly - I think people misunderstand what level of control a Council would have. Guidance, direction, etc. Problematic as it would be considering the level of freedom and creative reign that individuals have on Chaos - People can continue to make whatever they desire and claim to be "The Jedi". The true issue is setting aside selfish idealism, what your point of view is and such and coming together as one for the benefit and sake of "Jedi" in order to defeat a common enemy. The Sith were able to do it - on several occasions. Keep in mind - this is beyond in character views and we're talking about OOC views.
Be this a United Jedi Order, Federation of Jedi Whatever, Jedi Coalition - however you want to call it, I believe there are capable individuals in positions of "power" who are level headed both in character and out who are able to make decisions within reason and make this work.
You are not always going to agree or be on the same page - that is what voting is for, you may come to a point where you need to break a tie - I'm sure as reasonable, mature adults that you can find a way to break the tie that is mutually beneficial to all parties involved.
Oversight is not impossible - It's actually quite reasonable and doable.
It has been done.
It's a fun thing to write out if done properly, I mean to write a character who would has to have a huge burden of making life altering decisions - that brings up huge possibilities of game changing character development.
Be this a United Jedi Order, Federation of Jedi Whatever, Jedi Coalition - however you want to call it, I believe there are capable individuals in positions of "power" who are level headed both in character and out who are able to make decisions within reason and make this work.
You are not always going to agree or be on the same page - that is what voting is for, you may come to a point where you need to break a tie - I'm sure as reasonable, mature adults that you can find a way to break the tie that is mutually beneficial to all parties involved.
Oversight is not impossible - It's actually quite reasonable and doable.
It has been done.
It's a fun thing to write out if done properly, I mean to write a character who would has to have a huge burden of making life altering decisions - that brings up huge possibilities of game changing character development.
The Arbiter
You're such a cheerleader, [member="Aaralyn Rekali-Gyndar"]
Aspiring Jedi
[member="Aaralyn Rekali-Gyndar"] Fair to suggest that someone needs to keep 'Jedi' defined and regulated, but ICly, it's perfectly possible for anyone to call themselves a Jedi if they wish, and yet act as they see fit. We know the truth in that because our various orders have schismed themselves - which groups are really Jedi? And who gets to effectively define that, or decide that they're wrong?
Let's be honest: the Jedi have had more than a few different incarnations over the millenia, and their views have developed and changed as a result. We could have some over-arching Council that decides what the modern Jedi ought to look like, but would it really matter? Won't mean that the different factions will change to match that, it just means we'll call ourselves something else, if it comes to that. Like we've been saying, the sovereignty of each individual Faction isn't going to be compromised by something like this - we'll retain our identity regardless.
More to the point, this idea of "coming together to defeat our common enemy" isn't a reality - the Sith might be out to get us, for sure, but the enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my ally, and it doesn't mean we want the same thing. Some Jedi want the Sith dead and gone, others simply want to safeguard planets from the chaos of fighting them. The mainstream Jedi Order warped in an attempt to stand up to the Sith and take them out - but that's political idealism as much as anything else. Those Jedi disagreed with Sith methodology and wanted to fight it. Is that the goal of all the Jedi factions on the board? Nope.
I do agree that the Council as a ruling body is reasonable and possible - but it is needed? That's the question I think we need answering. Does such a thing serve an effective purpose, or is it just another unnecessary layer of complication?
Let's be honest: the Jedi have had more than a few different incarnations over the millenia, and their views have developed and changed as a result. We could have some over-arching Council that decides what the modern Jedi ought to look like, but would it really matter? Won't mean that the different factions will change to match that, it just means we'll call ourselves something else, if it comes to that. Like we've been saying, the sovereignty of each individual Faction isn't going to be compromised by something like this - we'll retain our identity regardless.
More to the point, this idea of "coming together to defeat our common enemy" isn't a reality - the Sith might be out to get us, for sure, but the enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my ally, and it doesn't mean we want the same thing. Some Jedi want the Sith dead and gone, others simply want to safeguard planets from the chaos of fighting them. The mainstream Jedi Order warped in an attempt to stand up to the Sith and take them out - but that's political idealism as much as anything else. Those Jedi disagreed with Sith methodology and wanted to fight it. Is that the goal of all the Jedi factions on the board? Nope.
I do agree that the Council as a ruling body is reasonable and possible - but it is needed? That's the question I think we need answering. Does such a thing serve an effective purpose, or is it just another unnecessary layer of complication?
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I have no stake in the factions and I think High Councils are cool. That's my two cents.
The IC thread will be going up shortly.
The IC thread will be going up shortly.
Unintentional, I assure you. *blinks*Marcello Matteo said:You're such a cheerleader, [member="Aaralyn Rekali-Gyndar"]
You’re right that anyone might call themselves a Jedi – it can be said about the Sith as well, but I believe we’re talking about the organized Factions themselves. Which you mention in your second point – and I’ll gladly take on.Teynara Jeralyr said:
Who has the correct point of view?
No one does.
There is no right or wrong. If everyone would set aside the “I’m right and you’re wrong.” About what makes an individual a Jedi and come together as reasonable individuals and place guidelines that people have to follow – basic rules if you will, it creates a universal system of rules that anyone can follow without truly disrupting anything.
To address the mainstream Jedi Order – politics, let politicians control you – you become another Old Republic.
I think again, people are confusing the Council idea with a level of control over them where it would prevent them from performing writing as they see fit. Do I think a Council is needed? Yes, if they can work together and put aside petty differences. I think the Jedi have had far enough free reign over the period of time where things have gotten out of control time and time again.
Here are some examples and you can take this however you want.
Jedi kills unarmed prisoner of war – no punishment, not pursued, its ok – runs off to another Jedi Faction which just shrugs it off. Any faction which claims to have any core belief in the “Jedi” system would be like “Da Fuq?” Granted we aren’t talking about killing the person’s character but I mean damn – some Council oversight could have done something if there was Unity. Exile is a great thing.
Jedi on numerous occasions go from light to dark, to light, to dark, to light. Character development is great but at the same time – where is the stopping point? When does someone say “Hey, we need to make sure you’re a bit stable before you’re running amuck with our secrets here…”
There are a lot of examples of Jedi doing stuff that is extremely questionable without any recourse, action taken against them and that we all know damn well would be against any “core” canon belief system, be it Skywalker, Old Republic, NJO – whatever.
I mean let’s be honest here with ourselves – there are Jedi out there who did bad things and did take punishment at the behest of the Jedi Council when it was in place before all these schisms, and they know who they are, so something like this did work.
Micah Talith
Draith Shamalain
Over thinking this isn't going to help matters.
Simply starting with two ambassadors from each order or so and getting together icly is just fine. OOCLy having all join the Jedi Academy for each of convienence and having one subforum to post all the information we need to get to all the orders whenever anything is discussed etc is good for reference.
Other than that, I think going into high councils, policies, and even the jedi code is pushing our luck when this is barely starting.
We are all not changing anything of the Orders we are in themselves -- we are just agreeing to work together and take it from there.
What happens next is just the cherries on top.
If this is something we can all agree to, we can throw up a thread, have Illias make a subforum, and just get to working this out icly.
Simply starting with two ambassadors from each order or so and getting together icly is just fine. OOCLy having all join the Jedi Academy for each of convienence and having one subforum to post all the information we need to get to all the orders whenever anything is discussed etc is good for reference.
Other than that, I think going into high councils, policies, and even the jedi code is pushing our luck when this is barely starting.
We are all not changing anything of the Orders we are in themselves -- we are just agreeing to work together and take it from there.
What happens next is just the cherries on top.
If this is something we can all agree to, we can throw up a thread, have Illias make a subforum, and just get to working this out icly.
Jsc
~Still Surfin
[member="Teynara Jeralyr"]
Q: Is a High Council really necessary at this point?
A: Oh no. Of course not.
And I think many of us already understand that. Here's why. Right now everybody is good. Nothing needs to change. We've got great Orders, great leaders, comfortable settings, and a welcome distance helps the whole community in many many healthy ways.
That said. I'm always looking for vehicles that will bring us together as Jedi. Vehicles to overcome the past, liberate our present, empower our writers, and build a brighter future. Together.
Q: Is a High Council really necessary at this point?
A: Oh no. Of course not.
And I think many of us already understand that. Here's why. Right now everybody is good. Nothing needs to change. We've got great Orders, great leaders, comfortable settings, and a welcome distance helps the whole community in many many healthy ways.
That said. I'm always looking for vehicles that will bring us together as Jedi. Vehicles to overcome the past, liberate our present, empower our writers, and build a brighter future. Together.
More Tea?
Let me make this clear -
What is being proposed will have precisely zero jurisdiction over how the individual factions operate. What it will concern itself with is Jedi matters - that is, "Jedi", "Rogue Jedi", and so on - and recognition that different kinds of Jedi are needed for different things. One mindset alone will not be able to address all issues, and that each faction in each sector of the light-leaning galaxy appears to have a defined role, and it would be foolish to demand that they set aside what they already do well. This is how I see things working. There are so many things that each light-leaning group does, and does well, that are invaluable, and crucial to the formation of a full-bodied, operational Order.
1) The SSC, for example, has a higher percentage of healers, pointing to their aid-based role, and younglings, the next generation of those that fight the good fight now. They also maintain a presence around the traditional Sith worlds. This group is protective, nurturing, and watchful.
2) The GA is the front line. This is where the focused fight against the darkness continues. You will find the highest percentage of militaristic Jedi and warriors here, as it should be. In the days of old, when war was present, the Jedi focused heavily on training in lightsaber combat, and more besides. This group is active, aware, and firm.
3) As for the formerly Republic-Exclusive TJO, their minor-faction presence is still too new for me to assess the role they do or could fill. Many of its members are Republic-loyal, and that is their right, for every corner of the galaxy needs a lightsided presence - the Republic moreso, given the sheer numbers they've suffered in loss. Do not begrudge these Jedi for still doing their duty, while this group is finding its identity after being so very much tied to the politik of the Republic, all these IC years.
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What I'm trying to say is, no one interpretation of what a Jedi is, between these groups, is wrong. Rather, they are all right, and not one of them being moreso than any of the others. Between us all, we have the warriors, healers, scholars, and so on, to do the job that needs doing. In essence, we are all capable of being cogs in a well-oiled, diverse machine.
This is, in my mind, what we're going for. All we have to do is want it, work together, and make it happen.
Keep your eyes out for the next Convocation, coming to a thread near you!
EDIT: Thread should be up later today. I have it started, just... I've run out of time, this morning!
What is being proposed will have precisely zero jurisdiction over how the individual factions operate. What it will concern itself with is Jedi matters - that is, "Jedi", "Rogue Jedi", and so on - and recognition that different kinds of Jedi are needed for different things. One mindset alone will not be able to address all issues, and that each faction in each sector of the light-leaning galaxy appears to have a defined role, and it would be foolish to demand that they set aside what they already do well. This is how I see things working. There are so many things that each light-leaning group does, and does well, that are invaluable, and crucial to the formation of a full-bodied, operational Order.
1) The SSC, for example, has a higher percentage of healers, pointing to their aid-based role, and younglings, the next generation of those that fight the good fight now. They also maintain a presence around the traditional Sith worlds. This group is protective, nurturing, and watchful.
2) The GA is the front line. This is where the focused fight against the darkness continues. You will find the highest percentage of militaristic Jedi and warriors here, as it should be. In the days of old, when war was present, the Jedi focused heavily on training in lightsaber combat, and more besides. This group is active, aware, and firm.
3) As for the formerly Republic-Exclusive TJO, their minor-faction presence is still too new for me to assess the role they do or could fill. Many of its members are Republic-loyal, and that is their right, for every corner of the galaxy needs a lightsided presence - the Republic moreso, given the sheer numbers they've suffered in loss. Do not begrudge these Jedi for still doing their duty, while this group is finding its identity after being so very much tied to the politik of the Republic, all these IC years.
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What I'm trying to say is, no one interpretation of what a Jedi is, between these groups, is wrong. Rather, they are all right, and not one of them being moreso than any of the others. Between us all, we have the warriors, healers, scholars, and so on, to do the job that needs doing. In essence, we are all capable of being cogs in a well-oiled, diverse machine.
This is, in my mind, what we're going for. All we have to do is want it, work together, and make it happen.
Keep your eyes out for the next Convocation, coming to a thread near you!
EDIT: Thread should be up later today. I have it started, just... I've run out of time, this morning!
Aspiring Jedi
[member="Ilias Nytrau"] That doesn't sound so bad when you put it that way, but I'll wait for the SSC Council to put their thoughts forward before I sign off on it completely myself. Looking forward to the thread, though - assuming I'm allowed to participate!
More Tea?
[member="Teynara Jeralyr"]
Absolutely. It'll be open to all lightsiders. I have an alt that was five years old at the last convocation, and she was still there... albeit doing chocolate milk shots at the bar with Seydon.
Absolutely. It'll be open to all lightsiders. I have an alt that was five years old at the last convocation, and she was still there... albeit doing chocolate milk shots at the bar with Seydon.
Aspiring Jedi
[member="Ilias Nytrau"] Then I look forward to it.
The Lion King
I don't see the need to nail everything down right this second. Let's just have a go at it ICly before hammering out the details.
Aspiring Jedi
[member="Thurion Heavenshield"] Following your lead on that, Boss
Failure Is Not Fatal
Skimmed this, set thread to follow, will join the ic thread. Don't see there's anything else concrete to do here, just general hypothesising and discussion