Choking across the stars

[Relina Zhan]

*force chokes everyone* I find your lack of faith disturbing.... *says it in a sort of Ben Stein monotone*

 

[Zonia Kalranoos]

So there's SWTOR canon permitting interstellar choking? Good to know.

Here is some inspiration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh01SWVYyNU

 

[Ashin Varanin]

The Force power passed through solid matter like it wasn't there. Does this mean other offensive powers can be cast through solid matter, if you can see like a Miraluka?

In every source I've ever read, there's a major difference between chucking kinetite/lightning/pyro/force push and just commanding that thing you can sense to go thattaway, wall or no wall. Or making it burst into flames, or whatever. Just stick with canon, do your research, read a book or two and you'll generally be fine.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

If Jedi Outcast taught me anything.

If you get Force Choked, you Force Push to escape.

 

[Ashin Varanin]

If Jedi Outcast taught me anything.

If you get Force Choked, you Force Push to escape.

It ain't rocket surgery.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Ah yes, Jedi Outcast.

Kyle Katarn is such a badass.

 

[Zonia Kalranoos]

In every source I've ever read, there's a major difference between chucking kinetite/lightning/pyro/force push and just commanding that thing you can sense to go thattaway, wall or no wall. Or making it burst into flames, or whatever. Just stick with canon, do your research, read a book or two and you'll generally be fine.

Canon says you can choke through walls, there is a scene where Sidious chokes some guards through a nearby wall, without line of sight per Force Sight. Since Force choke belongs to Alter class of abilities, I don't see why the logic could not be extended to other powers of the same class, especially as choke intends to damage and kill in the same manner as anything you mentioned.

Someone mentioned sensible. Here is something sensible, intended for roleplay.

 

[Ellie Mors]

This means you can use any offensive Force powers through walls too then? If you can see like a Miraluka, which allows you to visually identify a target through a wall, then you can use a mindtrick through a wall, a Sith Illusion through a wall or any other Force power...through a wall.

Considering not every ability in the force is restricted to literally being physically standing right in front of them, not blind, seeing them...

Yes. And you can mindtrick from across a planet, if we go by EU standards. Or force drain an entire planet for that matter.

Also, if Force powers can pass through walls, why do we frown on FUs passing through walls?

The force is intangible, you are not. Therein lies the difference.

And the fact that concentrating on altering all of your molecules and their various densities to walk through a wall would, realistically (and by realistically, I am using SW realism, not real realism), days or years to pass your hand through, much less walk, crawl, or run through them.

 

[Ellie Mors]

Someone mentioned sensible. Here is something sensible, intended for roleplay.

I would consider anything with dice and numbers to be the opposite of sensible when we're talking about writing and not playing a board game.

Because that's what we're doing, writing.

 

[Zonia Kalranoos]

[member="Bianca"] Game mechanics in pen and paper rely on numbers and modifiers to change the respective odds of different events, giving you a very clear distinction what is probable and what is improbable given the skillset of your character. You only succeed if you manage to roll more than you need. It's very sensible...that's why so many people play it.

I'm aware we are writing a story. But we are also roleplaying, which means interaction. Lets say canon prescribes we can Force choke through walls. Sidious did so to some disposable, unassuming NFU guards. Does this mean someone can Force choke a Jedi Knight or Master through a wall? Can they respond by Force Pushing the one choking them through a wall as well? Do you see my point?

Essentially, I wonder what is effective...how and where...and against whom....

Omg, [member="Ashin Varanin"], give me a cookie, I used whom correctly...

 

[Ellie Mors]

Essentially, I wonder what is effective...how and where...and against whom....

If you're being force choked through a wall, or gripped I suppose, logic stands that they are concentrating a bit harder to keep you still. Break their concentration and you break their grip. That's generally the way the force has worked. Whether it means you have to force push the wall to send rubble colliding into them, or maybe something else, the result should be the same.

 

[Zonia Kalranoos]

If you're being force choked through a wall, or gripped I suppose, logic stands that they are concentrating a bit harder to keep you still. Break their concentration and you break their grip. That's generally the way the force has worked. Whether it means you have to force push the wall to send rubble colliding into them, or maybe something else, the result should be the same.

You just said Force powers can pass through walls. This means Force Push can pass through walls, so you just push the other person away, no?
Would you say that Force powers that do not conjure physical phenomena such as lightning and pyrokinesis can pass through walls?

 

[Julius Sedaire]

[member="Bianca"] - Just curious... How do you feel about phase then? I've never seen it take the amount of time you're suggesting.

[member="Tionne Thanewulf"] - Yeah, I can't really track your opinion on this thread.. .You seem like, in your OP, you are against and are arguing against Force Grip/Choke over distance, or indeed any power utilized in such a manner.. But now it seems you are asking how you can do it? But I digress...

I relation to your OP? I will refer everyone in this thread referencing cannon and digging obscure bits of art or book references to support or deny it (because, you know, if it hasn't been written or done before, we certainly can't be original and use it here) to a newly favorite phrase of mine:

The Force is infinite. You and your ability to use it are not.​

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Literally that is all that matters in this entire thread... If you are Force Choking me across star systems? You better be a damn strong Force User who is prolific in their use of, and way beyond proficient in their mastery of that skill. Or I'm calling b.s. on you faster than [member="Darth Vornskr"] respawns after being killed. It comes down to an even simpler rule than the phrase above:

Don't be a dick​

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Seriously. I've learned the hard way, if you have to ask if you're being a dick by acting a certain way? You are almost certainly being one. In that case, if you must absolutely do 'the thing', whether it be Force Powers over galactic distances, or throwing an asteroid into a planet... Send a PM to your writing partner(s) in the thread. If it's an Invasion or Skirmish? Include the FA/FO's, or those running the gig. Ask. Detail your idea, with supporting reasoning, and see what they say. If they say no, use logic to counter if you have it. If you don't, why are you doing this in the first place? Maybe try to restate your points with new examples or such. But if you can't respectfully engage, then don't engage at all. If it is THAT HUGE A DEAL (and trust me, again from learning the hard-way, it won't *ever* be that big of a deal) then just do it anyway, or refer it to staff when you do and they inevitably gripe (if they haven't done so already).

Just my $0.02....

 

[Laira Darkhold]

*Continues not being able to use Telekinesis*

 

[Ellie Mors]

This means Force Push can pass through walls, so you just push the other person away, no?

You try pushing a person from an unknown location through a wall while being choked.

The point was that hitting the wall, the easiest and most accessible area closest to the choker, would distract them and knock their concentration off (or at least hurt them and force their concentration off, anyway).

Would you say that Force powers that do not conjure physical phenomena such as lightning and pyrokinesis can pass through walls?

It entirely depends on what you're doing. I don't think it has anything do with walls, because that's just an arbitrary argument. If you say you can't choke someone through a wall, you must not be able to choke someone through a curtain. It all depends on what you're doing and how you're doing it. But in most cases, yes, I would say that is the case.

Mind control, or Qazoi Kyantuska, and other forms of mind trick stuff (see: all mental powers) would work just fine through a wall, with varying degrees of effect and efficiency on proximity and with the addition of line of sight. Obviously it is easier to do something to something you physically see, but that doesn't make it impossible otherwise. Clearly you can't make the lightning that shoots out from your fingertips travel through a wall and come out the other side (though you could blow a hole through the wall, theoretically, I suppose). On the other hand, there are plenty of force abilities which conjure physical phenomena that would work plenty well through a wall, such as alter environment.

[member="Julius Sedaire"], the point I was making was the reason that phase is looked down at on the board. It looks like a crossover from marvel the more you look at it.

 

[Lord Ghoul]

I always played by the old "Line of Sight" rule when force choking individuals. That said, the Force works in different ways for different people and the canon conflicts because there are a bajillion EU writers, so pretty much anything goes. Best you can do is work it out with the fellow writer and hope you don't get Karen Traviss'd.

Except interstellar choking. That's a no no.

 

[Zonia Kalranoos]

You try pushing a person from an unknown location through a wall while being choked.

The point was that hitting the wall, the easiest and most accessible area closest to the choker, would distract them and knock their concentration off (or at least hurt them and force their concentration off, anyway).

If you can choke across distance and without visual sight, there is really no real countermeasure to being choked. Lets say someone is in the next building, choking you. You can't Force push them across such a distance. There is really no way how to distract them.
Sorry, seems like I am nitpicking. Sure, its easier to act if you see the target, but I've never seen anyone fail when using an advanced Force Power. Like ever. Maybe I haven't been around long enough.

 

[Ellie Mors]

If you can choke across distance and without visual sight, there is really no real countermeasure to being choked. Lets say someone is in the next building, choking you. You can't Force push them across such a distance. There is really no way how to distract them.
Sorry, seems like I am nitpicking. Sure, its easier to act if you see the target, but I've never seen anyone fail when using an advanced Force Power. Like ever. Maybe I haven't been around long enough.

If someone is choking you across that amount of a distance, it stands to reason that simply altering your presence in the force and resisting their attempts would free you.

You write your own damage, not anyone else.

If it doesn't make sense to you, don't take it.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

faster than Darth Vornskr respawns after being killed.

It's not that fast.

I remained dead for over a month OOCly the first time.

 

[Writer]

[member="Tionne Thanewulf"]

I have something on that - can you feel them through the Force? Their essence?

If you can, you can find a way to break the choke.

You just have to - use the Force.

Aaralyn's been choked through a bubble - managed to break both the bubble holding her as well as the choke on her.

Stuff happens.