Discussion AI in Roleplay

[Kaila Irons]

I can't read 99% of AI posts.

It's fluff, not writing. It artificially inflates descriptions into run on sentences and turns what should have been a 200 word post into a 500 word salad that is rarely even relevant to the current scene. I genuinely feel bad for people who use it because they think they aren't good enough writers because 9 times outta 10 it's not true AND the AI makes your writing worse.

It makes roleplay tedious to read and I will admit I just ignore obviously heavy chatgpt posts because it's confusing, it's tiring, it's boring, and my adhd literally means a lot of these posts cause me physical pain in my head. I do not write with heavy chatgpt users by choice, full stop.

There are a couple light AI users I still write with because it's clear they either edit the shit out of it and just use AI for ideas or see everyone else using the "(character name) did not X, but Y" formula (which btw is a huge give away) and just use it occasionally because that's what ppl around them are doing. That I can tolerate, especially if It's someone I see actively improving over time. The ones that don't even do that? glossing over, I'll find a different writing partner to share my stories with. I'm really sorry, I just physically can't. I came here to have fun.

 

[Braith Achlys]

I've used it to play around with stuff like "what would be my character's theme song be" and things of that nature, I don't really need/want/have an interest in using it to write things for me (it'd kind of defeat the purpose for me) but I don't really care if someone else does. I also don't really use it for ideas because I don't write things from prompts (middle school has ingrained a special hatred for them) but, again, don't care if someone else uses it for that.

 

[Tefka]

Amen, bro. Don't shove my content into a self-learning robot designed to eliminate human creativity in fields like writing. Actually sickening.

Nobody tell this guy about scraping bots, which has been happening for 30 years.

Resisting the advent of AI is futile, regardless of your moral beliefs. We don’t possess the mental capacity to stand on morals against it. It is a tool, like photoshop, like Microsoft Word, one that is reindustrializing in ways similar to other technologies before it.

When you use this tool it is like using any other. Do reading glasses dehumanize literature? Does the lamp alter the shade of color in which a painting is intended to be viewed. Does listening to an audiobook change the experience the author intended for the reader, do the words feel the same, does the speech change the reception.

It is easy to approach the subject with fear and anger. That’s usually how the overton window starts, and it is shifting, whether you follow or not.

 

[Blorpodungus]

dont like it

care about the planet too much to enjoy it

: (

 

[Fervos Kej]

I don't personally use any AI when creating my writing, but it is a tool like anything else. Use it how you see fit. So long as the back and forth is entertaining, I don't care if the post was written by you, an ai, or a trained rooster.

 

[Koda Fett]

It's a creative writing site. Write.

 

[Razmir Tezhyn]

It's a creative writing site. Write.

This guy gets it. AI writing is a crutch, and not a good one.

Whenever I recognize AI writing my interest dies immediately and I elect to skip. It's not even necessarily about whether it was AI-made or not. It's not even really about privacy concerns, or about whether it even qualifies as art.

It's about my time economy. I want to spend my time on here with other writers, not with an LLM.

 

[Ben Khal]

see everyone else using the "(character name) did not X, but Y" formula (which btw is a huge give away)

I just read a thread recently where they kept saying “not X but Y” and thought it was odd. Now it all makes sense. Their posts were weirdly repetitive and vague, too. Used a lot of fancy language but weren’t actually saying much…

 

[Ben Khal]

Screw it, I have more to say.

I made my position on writing with AI clear in the first discussion thread. I know Tef just issued an edict about scarlet lettering people who use it, but I need to tell a story in order to make my point. I just won’t name names nor make any references which would give away the identity of the person involved.

I believe the (over)use of LLM was the cause of a disagreement I had with another writer earlier this year. From what I understand, AI can't always tell the difference between dialogue and thoughts in the text you feed it. This unnamed writer had quoted my character's internal monologue in their character's dialogue. I was not comfortable with this. It felt like metagaming. I messaged the writer about it, thinking it was probably a mistake. And it probably was, in the sense that they had missed it while they were editing what the AI spat out, but I digress. The writer sent me several paragraphs justifying their character's apparent ability to read minds. The quoting my character’s thoughts was just a coincidence, they claimed—but it was also some sort of clever literary device, which was of course done intentionally. “I am very intentional in how I write,” they said.

At that point I got frustrated and told them I didn't want to continue writing the thread if they were going to brush off my discomfort. They responded that I was "childish" and "unwilling to engage in basic literary discussion" etc., for several more paragraphs. I thought man, this person sounds incredibly pretentious, especially for an online roleplayer. Also, damn, they sure do post a lot. Long, wordy posts, no less. How can anyone write that much? Aren’t they new? Wait a minute…

Yes, it's hard to tell who's actually writing and who's using an LLM. Sometimes it’s obvious, other times it’s not. I thought the “not X, but Y” thing was a tic or a weird stylistic choice. The people who do use AI won't admit it, of course. Some because they fear they’ll be shamed for it, but for most it’s probably because they’re ashamed of themselves. They think they aren’t good enough, that their writing is bad and they need AI. The AI is a crutch, but it’s also a lie. Every time someone innocently praises their AI-augmented writing, they feel like a fraud. It ironically feeds their insecurity.

It appeared I had caught this writer in the act of using LLM to write their posts. That was why they got so defensive. The more I looked at their writing, the more my suspicions were confirmed. Even their responses to my PMs were, for the most part, generated by AI. All of a sudden they seemed more pathetic than pompous. I almost felt sorry for them.

I gave their final message (the one calling me childish) a Laugh react out of spite. I was pissed. I felt like I had been ripped off then called stupid by the person who tricked me. It felt surreal too. Roleplay had been my main hobby for the past five years, and there I was realizing I couldn’t tell the real from the artificial anymore.

This happened a couple months ago. The person in the story is still active on the site. I am not. I write here and there with my friends, but I may never be truly active again. Part of that is because my life has gone through major changes this past year, which makes it hard to devote time and energy to Chaos. But I also don’t like feeling paranoid about whether or not my writing partner is using AI, nor do I like what it turns people into. Myself included.

 

[Nyva Shei]

This is already the second or third topic on the subject, I have already expressed myself in another topic, perhaps we should think about moving on to something else, no? Dont make witch hunt, with AI. That's made me tired.

 

[Tamsin Graves]

Now for the most part the few AI posts I have interacted with I have found boring, uninspired, and don't hold my attention. My ADD that doesn't really act up that much anymore literally turns on and is like oh look over there that shadow on the wall is more interesting. It just reads well robotic to me and my brain just can't engage it well or creatively.

I'm sure with time just like with most AI art it will get better and almost indistinguishable. I just don't think it's there yet and it's fairly noticeable at the moment.

That said besides my brains current problems with it, my personal thought is well it's lazy, uncreative, and it seems to defeat the purpose of creative/cooperative writing that is chaos.

My reasons for this is I started my journey in this experience that is star wars play by post over two decades ago way before Chaos existed or AI in it's current state did a nearly illiterate kid. A friend suggested this as outlet to get better and to help me improve with my struggling reading and writing skills. I had imagination up the wazoo, loved star wars, but didn't have much of an outlet. This style of writing made me want to get better, be better, and have fun. It was about creating a world I could make my characters/creations grow in and self improvement for me.

To me AI defeats that purpose instead of creating for yourself and escaping reality for a few creative writing posts, one is automating it taking the fun and enjoyment out of it. What is the point? That's the question I always come back to a person who enjoys golf doesn't make a machine to golf for them cause there is no joy in that. Unless they aren't about improving their own skill and succeeding through there own initiative, all they want to do is win so why not just automate it so one doesn't have to lift a finger.

Now I don't really care what other people do, do as thou whilst I won't hate you or shun you for it. It's just not my thing but I see no need to label it or mark it for others to shun. Let it be, doesn't mean I agree with it, it just is.

I'm just an old fart with opinions on the internet.

 

[Kaila Irons]

I just read a thread recently where they kept saying “not X but Y” and thought it was odd. Now it all makes sense. Their posts were weirdly repetitive and vague, too. Used a lot of fancy language but weren’t actually saying much…

I will say just because I probably should have earlier, it's the OVERUSE of that formula that is a giveaway. it's always been there, the AI just uses it way too much, takes the magic from it.

I will also say that being paranoid about who you write with isn't the way to go. Just keep the writing partners you have fun with, leave the ones you don't or you'll just burn yourself out. that goes for non-AI posting too. It's either fun to read or it's not, and I will excuse myself from a story written by a human too if it becomes a chore.

Anyway that's my final piece before the thread gets locked, we've probably gotten off topic and vented enough as is lol

 

[Thressik Marn]

I used it to help me create a language model for the Mantari and to help me stylize his vocal pattern when he speaks basic.