Why?

[Onrai]

1: Then let's simply not make this an invasion and instead work out a deal with the RPJs' help as to where Alderaan goes. It can't be invaded proper due to being two hexes away from Mando territory, and it can't be added to Mando territory since it's on the complete opposite side of the map(and doing so would cloud-break us again).
2: When there are, as you put it, consequences for not showing that up, then yeah, there is a problem. No one likes effectively being served a court order stating that if you don't RP on behalf of the Republic, the Mandalorians will take your world and possibly more.
3: Wasn't it a Republic problem that you were a part of during your time as part of the faction? You were the one who made a deal with the Mandalorians(as SC) to give Mandal Hypernautics the opportunity to set up mining facilities for Phrik at Roche, knowing the risks of them potentially being vulnerable to future attack(and that they would blame us if anything happened to their stuff). Not saying you knew Gen would go crazy, since no one did, but you did know there was a risk of something happening that would cause the Mandos to get pissed at us. Eg. A potential loss to the Sith in an invasion locking us in.
4: Members on the Republic side chose to flimsily believe what the Mandos said without taking into account the fact that they could've easily been lying in order to disrupt the defense of Roche. That, IC, should've been their first thoughts instead of them believing the Mandos are right and the Republic is wrong.
5: I'm gonna ask for this to be settled once and for all. [member="Ali Hadrix"], IC, was your character(Ali Hadrix) the one who gave the decompression order to the NPC, or was it entirely the NPC's decision to do so?

 

[Laira Darkhold]

It's like saying "Mandos were invited and discussed bringing Alderaan under the clans protection IC with the Alderaanian characters" isn't written in English when I type it.

http://starwarsrp.net/page/articles.html/_/role-play-rules/major-factions-r15

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It's totally close enough to be added to the cloud. Wayland worked just like that.

 

[Onrai]

[member="Draco Vereen"]

Fair enough, and that's certainly workable if agreed upon, but marking this as an invasion has OOC rules and leaves OOC ramifications in the event that the Mandos win. It would've been better if we could've just all talked this out instead of plunging everyone back into another fight no one on this site wants to play a part in.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

Well, Tef made a ruling about not Gifting Planets from one faction to another, and while its possible he would let Alderaan be neutral, that is arguably worse from an OOC perspective.
[member="Vitor Imperieuse"]

 

[Laira Darkhold]

Also, to be honest, I was surprised Gen didn't go crazy sooner. I prophesized her pissing off the Mandos in June of 2015 and am mostly just surprised it took this long.

 

[Hira Mitsae]

[member="Darell Irani"], my only issue there is that the treaty both parties agreed to states that the Republic won't interfere if any of its member worlds choose to secede. That makes it seem to me that we wouldn't have a reason or want to convince Alderaan to remain in the Republic, as we don't want to violate the treaty. Or maybe I'm looking at this all wrong.

That's a good point.

I think the leeway here would be that the Republic is trying to do this in a diplomatic way.

"Hey, we know you got issues with how you have been treated before, but we are trying to change things for the better. What would you like to see happen to improve the situation so you can stay?"

Instead of: "Well, if you leave, we will make sure you get targeted by every Sith Warlord in the galaxy and get totally fethed up. So you better stick with us."

Or: "If you leave, we will bombard the feth out of your world. So sit down and be happy you can be part of our happy democracy!"

So as long as the Republic is being diplomatic and reasonable in their attempt to change Alderaan's mind, court their favor rather than threaten them? Nobody from the Mandalorians are gonna really bother - unless Alderaan starts complaining, of course.

That's just how I see it though.

 

[Keira Priest]

Makes sense to me. I think Keira'll be there more to sort out the whole mess and figure what she can do to help rather than worrying about Alderaan staying, but if somebody else wants to take that stance, they can go on ahead.

[member="Darell Irani"]

 

[Hira Mitsae]

[member="Keira Ticon"]

I am just gonna pair up with my boo and write a cool storyline, just use the invasion as a backdrop of it without it actually affecting the outcome of it.

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Draco Vereen"]

Excuse my hexagons. Perhaps you're more familiar with how the map works than I am. No matter which way you put it, the Roche Asteroids was three hexagons away from Alderaan. How would an invasion happen if you're three hexs away?

[member="Darell Irani"]

"Hey, we know you got issues with how you have been treated before, but we are trying to change things for the better. What would you like to see happen to improve the situation so you can stay?"

This is most definitely our stance when it comes to talks with House Organa and the Mandalorians.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Alderaan wishes to secede.

Not necessarily.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Ella Nova"]

As I stare at Myrkr being way within range, I have no idea why having Roche would put us out of range. That might be my common sense tingling.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

[member="Vitor Imperieuse"], all [member="Ali Hadrix"] details will be discussed at the trial, currently being arranged by [member="Khyros Sunblade"]. Let's not drag that around here any more. It's done and dusted and only needs to be resolved at the IC trial.

 

[Onrai]

[member="Draco Vereen"]

I'm sure the RPJs would be willing to help negotiate something if we give them an opportunity. The 'invasion,' whether it's truly such or not, isn't going to help heal up the split.

[member="Darell Irani"]

It's chiefly that this being an invasion has lasting ramifications if the Republic lose.

[member="Ella Nova"]

Apparently invasions can happen from up to 2 hexes away, which the Mandos would do from Myrkr to Alderaan. That said, the invasion rules don't exactly state how far away it is, and I don't recall 2 hexes having been the limit(1 hex was, the same as for a standard post dominion).

[member="Jack Sparrow"]

This is from a purely OOC perspective, so no one can claim otherwise from said perspective(as was apparently done during the invasion).

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Draco Vereen"]

It's one hex. Mykyr is two hexs away from Alderaan. Obviously, this requires an RPJ decision.

 

[Darth Avida]

[member="Draco Vereen"]

It's one hex. Mykyr is two hexs away from Alderaan. Obviously, this requires an RPJ decision.

It's within two hexes.

 

[Laira Darkhold]

That was easy.

Danke [member="Braith Achlys"]

 

[Darth Ayra]

[member="Braith Achlys"]

Well aware that you've clarified it is within two hexes, but it doesn't say in the invasion rules that Alderaan is within distance. Could you explain why it is two hexes and not one?

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Ella Nova"]

I actually already linked the Major Faction Rules that state 2 Hexes is the range.

 

[Onrai]

[member="Draco Vereen"]

Why do the invasion rules themselves not state a distance?

 

[Laira Darkhold]

[member="Vitor Imperieuse"]

Um... Did you notice that isn't my job. I just write here.