Unpleasant things.

[Vilaz Munin]

Wow. I enjoyed the not-so-subtle dig at me as well. But the commentary on Mantic was absolutely uncalled for.

Class-A community. Congrats, Mandos. Very mature.

Do not accuse my members for creating this video when they didn't.

Get your FACTS straight before you go accuse someone else of this.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

#FACTS
#DEALWITHTHEM

[member="Vilaz Munin"]

 

[Mantic Dorn]

*Unpleasant

Also, you're a head of state as a Faction Admin for the Galactic Republic, Mantic. Heads of state are lampooned on a daily basis, regardless of where they are or who they are. I think you should treat this less as a personal attack and more as someone trying to make light of your policy decisions.

I understand that you might feel discouraged, but every once in a while it is okay to laugh at oneself and try and see things from someone else's perspective. You might not think the board knows you well enough to mess around with you. Well whoever made the video isn't messing around with you, but rather the character and Faction Admin, Mantic Dorn.

Do you really think Presidents and political leaders are going to tell a political cartoonist that "You don't know me well enough to publish that image?" Of course not. Even responding to the lampoon, aside from a light chuckle, would be unpresidential.

So make like a duck and let it slide off, because as a Faction Admin this probably won't be the last criticism you hear.

*two cents*

Hope that helped.

Thanks for your input! It sure helps!

I got to add that I am not discouraged and have no issues with folks "lampooning" (have to look that word up to be sure though... )
The thing is that even though I can ignore when folks do something wrong, it does not mean it is the right thing to do.
If you read my reasoning in post #13 you might see where I am coming from.

 

[Tydeus of Tion]

The thing is that even though I can ignore when folks do something wrong, it does not mean it is the right thing to do.

Yeah, I read your post #13. Problem is, they aren't doing anything wrong.

Get your FACTS straight before you go accuse someone else of this.

Stuff like this isn't criticizing you as a human being, Mantic. It's criticizing your negotiating strategies that people have seen you employ as a public leader of a major faction. It's not wrong. It's humorous.

Unless you're making the claim that all political cartoonists are morally bankrupt.

 

[Jsc]

This is my reasoning. While I myself can shrug it off and move on like most folks on the board I am not sure a 25 year younger version of myself could have. That version might have felt very cornered and perhaps even bullied. Yes, it is common that things like this happen. But it does not make it right. This is why I brought it up. It is not right.

Let's talk about irrational thinking. Things like: What if questions. What if somebody out there was offended by something? Am I required to protect this imaginary person in the reality of public right now? Do offended imaginary beings even require my protection? Wait. If somebody is offended immediately by something does that immediately make them right?

A line of thinking which eventually brings us to: Man. I should get out there and preach about righteousness to protect these rightfully offended imaginary people. Huzzah! But wait..? That's not reasoning. That's vanity. That's crazy talk. And I would know. I do it all the time. I'm a *preemptive thinker* too. I love solving problems that don't even exist yet. Aka, irrational. Sadly, saving imaginary people from imaginary problems with my imaginary moral compass? Well. That's just called fantasy too.

So Mantic. This imaginary younger you who might/maybe/could/sort of felt bullied and cornered by a lulzly video found in lulz thread on a lulz website on this lulz Internet of ours. Well. This person you are so desperately trying to protect with your Facts and your reasoning? He's not right. Heck, he's not even real. ...He's imaginary. And so are your arguments. You're so wrapped in what is *right* about life that you can't stop to see what is happening all around you. It's like calling Nature evil because it kills. It's just a perspective. Not a foundation. Just because something is dark doesn't make everything else light. That just doesn't make sense.

So. Here's some reality for you. The more you post to this topic demanding people see your point of view? The more opposition to it you're going to get. Because your perspective is a foundation for failure, fantasy, and irrationally constructed demands. It's not real. Just like your facts. And I'm sorry to end on... Just like your morally constructed beliefs too.

Love ya dude. But you need a KitKat break.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

Yeah, I read your post #13. Problem is, they aren't doing anything wrong.



Stuff like this isn't criticizing you as a human being, Mantic. It's criticizing your negotiating strategies that people have seen you employ as a public leader of a major faction. It's not wrong. It's humorous.

Unless you're making the claim that all political cartoonists are morally bankrupt.

I see, I admit I did not compare behaviour of writers in a role play community with a real life political arena.
I think that is to read too much into the hobby role of most web based communities. That said, hobby communities like chaos still have a huge impact on many peoples well being and creates emotions. The issue is with young people feeling bad because of how social communities like this are having an almost impossible task to ensure zero tolerance against this sort of behaviour. No one knows how to handle it, but as stated, its worth trying..

Should my behaviour not be what is prefered as a Faction owner I assume I will be questioned internally by the GR faction and should it be obvious I am not wanted at the position I see no reason to not start dismantling myself from the position. I hope not but I'll dig it and move on.

I myself prefer when members in a community, and especially staff on whatever level, speaks up against poor behaviour because of my reasoning in post #15.
That said, I understand and recognize that we all have different perspectives on this.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

Let's talk about irrational thinking. Things like: What if questions. What if somebody out there was offended by something? Am I required to protect this imaginary person in the reality of public right now? Do offended imaginary beings even require my protection? Wait. If somebody is offended immediately by something does that immediately make them right?

A line of thinking which eventually brings us to: Man. I should get out there and preach about righteousness to protect these rightfully offended imaginary people. Huzzah! But wait..? That's not reasoning. That's vanity. That's crazy talk. And I would know. I do it all the time. I'm a *preemptive thinker* too. I love solving problems that don't even exist yet. Aka, irrational. Sadly, saving imaginary people from imaginary problems with my imaginary moral compass? Well. That's just called fantasy too.

So Mantic. This imaginary younger you who might/maybe/could/sort of felt bullied and cornered by a lulzly video found in lulz thread on a lulz website on this lulz Internet of ours. Well. This person you are so desperately trying to protect with your Facts and your reasoning? He's not right. Heck, he's not even real. ...He's imaginary. And so are your arguments. You're so wrapped in what is *right* about life that you can't stop to see what is happening all around you. It's like calling Nature evil because it kills. It's just a perspective. Not a foundation. Just because something is dark doesn't make everything else light. That just doesn't make sense.

So. Here's some reality for you. The more you post to this topic demanding people see your point of view? The more opposition to it you're going to get. Because your perspective is a foundation for failure, fantasy, and irrationally constructed demands. It's not real. Just like your facts. And I'm sorry to end on... Just like your morally constructed beliefs too.

Love ya dude. But you need a KitKat break.

Hey hey,

I know I look as a self-admirer but heck, it was the straightforward way to explain my reasoning. I am not ashamed over it.
I am not overly concerned with being impopular on chaos. However, if folks think a comparrison with Adolf Hitler is proper conduct I see an error and will adress it.

The mere idea to stop because folk will oppose me or dislike me is not going to happen.
That said, I will eventually run out of time to respond to a thread like this. Especially since as you correctly states, more and more get annoyed and it will lead to mass posting - it is very time consuming to reply to so many that thinks the thread is out of order.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

Doing the same actions over and over(publicly decrying others actions and ordering/trying to tell people to do something differently because you say so), and expecting a different result (them listening the second or third or fourth or fifth time when nothing on your end changes) is the very definition of insanity. And people wiser than I came up with that saying.

Look man, I feel for you and your situation. I have been there, believe me it sucks. You seem to come from a genuinely good desire to do (as you seem them) good things. Nut you've been told every which way that your behavior is viewed as unseemly and unbecoming. Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to see sense doesn't change the views the community holds. Willful ignorance doesn't become any adult, but much less any adult in any position of responsibility, no matter how much actual importance said position holds.

You seriously need to take a step back, and I would encourage your faction to as well, and honestly evaluate if you are the right person for a job that puts you so often in the spotlight of the public eye, given how you react to said exposure. There is no shame in not being cut out for it. But given how you keep acting to even the slightest rebuttal or disagreement, I think you need to examine that, in an honest and unbiased way if you can.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

Doing the same actions over and over(publicly decrying others actions and ordering/trying to tell people to do something differently because you say so), and expecting a different result (them listening the second or third or fourth or fifth time when nothing on your end changes) is the very definition of insanity. And people wiser than I came up with that saying.

Look man, I feel for you and your situation. I have been there, believe me it sucks. You seem to come from a genuinely good desire to do (as you seem them) good things. Nut you've been told every which way that your behavior is viewed as unseemly and unbecoming. Sticking your head in the sand and refusing to see sense doesn't change the views the community holds. Willful ignorance doesn't become any adult, but much less any adult in any position of responsibility, no matter how much actual importance said position holds.

You seriously need to take a step back, and I would encourage your faction to as well, and honestly evaluate if you are the right person for a job that puts you so often in the spotlight of the public eye, given how you react to said exposure. There is no shame in not being cut out for it. But given how you keep acting to even the slightest rebuttal or disagreement, I think you need to examine that, in an honest and unbiased way if you can.

Thank you for the input.

I know folks are irritated because of me. If that had bothered me I would probably not have made the thread. As you state, my intention are not to clear my name or any such thing. My intention has been to put a spot light on a behaviour pattern that in my "morale compass" is wrong.

Now, you bring up the faction. Very few active writers are part of this thread or publicly declaring their oppinion on it.
My guess is that most of them dont bother about it or are not agreeing with me.

But thats ok, this my personal oppinion and not something that faction members are stating. If my own behaviour is so terrible I assume I will be asked to step down by those who are members in the faction.

 

[Darth Avida]

My intention has been to put a spot light on a behaviour pattern that in my "morale compass" is wrong.
Now, you bring up the faction. Very few active writers are part of this thread or publicly declaring their oppinion on it.
My guess is that most of them dont bother about it or are not agreeing with me.
But thats ok, this my personal oppinion and not something that faction members are stating. If my own behaviour is so terrible I assume I will be asked to step down by those who are members in the faction.

This statement is probably why people aren't posting here.

Also, morality is outmoded by ethics. Morality is highly subjective to the individual.

 

[Mantic Dorn]

This statement is probably why people aren't posting here.

Also, morality is outmoded by ethics. Morality is highly subjective to the individual.

Hey Bianca,
I did not start this thread to discuss, but to point to something that I consider poor behavior. I understand that folk have different views on things.
In all honesty I think that most people see that it is wrong to go about such things on the internet, albeit most don't bother since it is a David vs Goliat situation.
My reasoning can be found in above posts.

And I recognize that folks also think that it is wrong to point to that person (who is still anonymous by the way) in a public forum is wrong as well.
I get that and I simply made the call that sometimes bringing dirt into the sunlight makes a difference, a small one but still. It heavily outweighs the flaws in my own action. Again in my own opinion.