The Roche Trials

[Eralam]

Again, only the story matters. Not your baggage.

That might be the only thing you've said there that has any bearing on the situation at all. The story matters. Not your baggage. Not their's either. Events will progress according to the needs of the story, and attempting to influence them to your advantage has only worsened the situation for the Republic as a whole.

Believe it or not, I want to see the Republic maintain solvency. It fills a niche that has yet to have a true successor, and its destruction would be detrimental to the site as a whole. There is no true successor to the role it has played for so long. If it were to go under, it would irrevocably damage the fragile RP ecosystem. There is no true successor to the Republic in the eyes of many. Given a choice between throwing in with the Silver Sanctum or the Galactic Alliance, I'd wager money that there are a great many Republic writers who would choose instead to simply leave. The GA is viewed by many to be a mirror image of the OS, and the Silver Sanctum, though a power in its own right, does not seem to take interest in the wider conflict against the Sith.

It's no secret that the GR has been on the losing end of the battle for quite some time. Many members have already left, and the perception that the faction as a whole has been hard done by is not entirely unwarranted. A small corps of dedicated writers have kept it afloat thus far, but recent events have done a great deal to alienate many of them.

Ali, I implore you to reconsider your position. You know I despise you on a personal level. You also know I'm scrupulous to a fault. You'll recall that the only reason Yami lasted much longer on JvS than he had any right to in the eyes of many. This was because I spent far more time than I rightly should have campaigning to ensure that he wasn't banned until there was a clear, actionable violation of the rules that would have allowed the Whills to act rather than the general sense of annoyance that dogged his every move. Doing so directly contributed to the sequence of events that led to my being removed as an administrator.

I would like nothing more than to see you hanged (metaphorically speaking), but only if it is done fairly. You have my word that if you go along with this, I will do everything in my power to ensure that the ensuing trial will not be a witch hunt. It will be completely aboveboard. If you are found not guilty, then you'll be free to continue as you have. If you're found guilty, the most that could happen is you're exiled from the Republic, at which point you'd be free to start up a Chaos version of GALSAF or something along those lines. Lord knows the title of "war criminal," when earned in the battle against the Mandalorians, would only earn you street cred in the eyes of the folks who think the Republic has been too soft against its enemies.

[member="Matthew Mar'Tin"] has volunteered to be your lawyer. He supports you both IC and OOC, and if there's a tongue with a higher silver content on Chaos, I've yet to see it. Put a little faith in him that he might yet get you out of this. If you go along with the trial and agree to abide by whatever outcome, best case scenario, you cement you place in Republic history and continue to lead their military. Worst case scenario, you've got a perfect start to start your own crusade against the Sith, on your terms.

Or you could stubbornly insist that it's your way or the highway and watch the Galactic Republic burn. Your call.

 

[Hira Mitsae]

[member="Darell Irani"]

I see a difference between two settings, but...

Roche: Hangar was planned to be empty.
Coruscant: Mission was planned to avoid collateral.

Roche: Mandos insert civilians where Ali didn't intend.
Coruscant: Sith insert civilians where Rebels didn't intend.

Oh, aye. But keep in mind that the Mandalorians who posted before Ali already wrote out that there were civilians in there. It was only after those posts that Hadrix posted her venting plan and eventually executed it. She probably didn't read through all those posts, but all I am saying is that I can see two sides to it, s'all.

 

[Popo]

[member="Ali Hadrix"]
You're correct, it is your right, but keep in mind that icly your character is now the ic reason for the mando wars and not for Helen of Troy reasons either lol

 

[Nick Sept]

[member="Ali Hadrix"]


So, exactly what's the worth of Senators pretending to care about a trial with a predetermined outcome? I mean, hell, why should we bother? To further your plot without any consideration to IC effects, which we're already apparently blatantly disinterested in?


Honestly, I hardly know you, Hadrix (The Republic is the faction I've dealt with the least, and rarely amicably). I don't know you as a writer, or as a person. But frankly, everybody seems to want to play martyr today, and that's exhausting.



OOC, the invasion's already giving you more opportunities for character dev than you can shake a stick at, but you're too busy ensuring your predetermined outcome to realize it. I'm playing Vorhi Alestrani, and if anyone, including you, had been willing to read my posts (which I've been tagging everyone nearby in) and ask what the heck I was doing, I would've told them, and we could've collaborated, and it would've been way more fun for all involved. But, like most invasions, everyone is too busy worrying about winning, or saving their own skin, to even address in a PM what's happening around them.



The truth is, Ali, you've already set up a great deal of restrictions for this thread, and not done much of a job demonstrating why we should care or participate. If this was meant to be a LFG, with a predetermined outcome, that should have been addressed up front. So, I'm curious, and reiterate my question: Why bother with this if there's already not going to be a significant consequence?


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to try and come up with another post in the invasion that everyone seems to have forgotten I'm in. Good luck getting some interest here. But I'm out.

 

[Popo]

[member="Nick Sept"]
I'll write wit yoo bby gurl

 

[Thelma]

Welp, I'm backing out since the outcome is predetermined. Find yourself a different prosecutor. And I suggest avoiding meeting Janira anywhere private, Ali.

The Republic is about to kick the bucket.

Hail Mandalore.

#FreeEshan

I feel the need to show you this link, if mandalorians do conquer eshan. Their is a few case of the orginal batch of wine their for them.

 

[Mr. OOC]

They won't come to Ethan because every NPC is a potential combatant to them. They are smarter than that. Plus they don't need to when they can play the map game and get us that way.
[member="Thelma"]

I'm still out, though. I don't participate in threads with predetermined outcomes because it means the efforts of my character literally have no bearing on anything.

Oh, and [member="Ali Hadrix"], this character once ran a galactic governing body called The Echani Compact in Chaos Canon History, ask around if you don't believe me, so she's not just some nobody you can shake a stick at. Might want to choose your words more carefully.

 

[Miss Blonde]

Honestly I'm of the opinion that you guys RP a thread with no set outcome and perceive things the facts and evidence through the eyes of your characters. [member="Ali Hadrix"] you know I love you man, but I think it would be awesome to see writers write their characters for this trial in a organic sense, just go with the flow yo. But it is your character and that's all you meng, but trust Matthew, dude is a great writer when it comes to RPing his lawyer.

 

[Mr. OOC]

[member="Nick Sept"]
Nick, I'm not really ignoring you, I just haven't had a good reason to post with Janira or Barrien. We will RP again soon, though.

 

[Miss Blonde]

Also one last thing. People who are saying "the republic is dead! Mandos will prevail! Sith will prevail!" Here's what's going to happen. That's gonna go on for like a week, then someone somewhere is gonna start a cool thread or an event is going to happen, or another invasion, and then people are going to completely forget and move on to whatever's the next hot thing. The Sith Empire only collapsed because they chose to fall and "return to the shadows" then Storm coruscant out of nowhere with mega fleet and Vong. Real James Bond status there guys.

 

[Popo]

Mandalorians attack Edhan?

Why?

We can just roll up and go "hey, y'all wanna pay half the taxes the republic demanded? We only need/want half. Cool? Cool"

 

[Matthew Rei]

[member="Darell Irani"]

Interesting. Thank you for bringing this to light. This is going to make my job harder.

 

[Writer]

[member="Ali Hadrix"]

Seen tyrants in character strong arm left and right, I know what I'm looking at. I quoted your last paragraph. You'll live. I don't need to look that deep to see that Ali is messed up and has issues.

Also per your words:

As I recall, Aaralyn had just walked out of a Mandalorian freighter. When the venting began, I would have simply jumped back into the ship and closed the door. Might have hated myself for dooming all those poor children that were hanging around a military fighting force armed to the teeth, but I'd have survived.

Why would a Jedi do this?

Anyone wanna explain that whole selflessness bit?

In addition to all of this: if you're going to try to force others to have a trial where you're already determined innocent, you're forcing an outcome and an rp on us. Therefore that goes against our narratives and character development.

I say the Senate does this without the participation of Ali Hadrix considering the writer is doing nothing more than digging her heels in and won't let the organic flow of cooperative rp happen.

If the Republic is against this, then so be it.

Individual systems will start falling when you get hit from 3 sides because the Republic let off yet another tyrant.

 

[Jack Sparrow]

[member="Ali Hadrix"], what's the point of this entire thread then? You should have stated in your first post that the trial was going to be pre-determined. In fact, it would have been helpful if you'd been clearer a long time ago that your character was blameless for anything bad that was happening. Now we've got six pages of posts from people that are calling BS on this whole affair, and you've managed to piss off a lot of people who are going to try and hasten the demise of the Republic.

The ongoing majority logic for this and Lasedri's story is that IC actions have IC consequences. All the OOC arguments with you and Mantic Dorn for both have been "It doesn't matter what you think, this is what I meant, and therefore the only thing that should matter." It doesn't work for all of the writers who have invested time and creative energy. You're slighting them and telling them their work means nothing.

If this whole thing matters to no one but yourself and your character that's fine, I guess, but I agree with those who say you should just write your Private RP thread and let the rest of us work on trying to pick up the pieces, because I guarantee people who are in opposition to this are now angry and gunning for us all.

 

[Tydeus of Tion]

Just try her In Absentia if she's going to act like this.

 

[Writer]

[member="Jack Sparrow"] for Faction Owner and Supreme Chancellor, 2016

 

[Miss Blonde]

I still stand by [member="Mantic Dorn"] 2K16 #BootyLikePow campaign

 

[Matthew Rei]

[member="Eralam"]

Thank you, thank you. Sometimes, I wish my tongue wasn't so silvery. It unbalances my head when I'm trying to nap in my seat during travel.

[member="Ali Hadrix"]

You, uh...You kind of spilled the beans and then stepped on them here. You would have had a MUCH better chance winning a court battle thread if you saved the explanation for then. Now, here in this OOC forum, you've served to remove more interest in even doing a thread.

What's the difference between the two?

• The thread would have felt like an accomplishment if you had left the defense to me and sent this long post in a PM to me.
• This OOC forum now feels like Congress.

What do you see yourself becoming with this character? The expectation of a perfect plan working out perfectly is the machinations of dead, synthetic design (in terms of RP). SWRP Chaos is a living and breathing site filled with many organic hosts.

All of them have their own wishes and designs, but do you know what wins out in the end? When people say to themselves "For better or for worse, I will let go of my idea of perfection and work with others." I know that the outcome can be very scary for your character, but no faster way will you gain the respect of your fellow writers than to simply tear down the wall of "This is what will be" and adopt a mindset of "Hit me with your best shot and I'll respond in kind. Whatever the result, I shall honor."

If you designed everything to work out perfectly without blow back on you, then put that to the test in front of other Player Characters. Us, your friends. Not Mando and Sith who would rather shoot you, but the Republic that wishes to see justice done in the way it's supposed to be done: the long, honest and proper way.

You're a leader, Ali. These people look up to you to uphold the highest standards of roleplay as would be fitting of a person in such a role for a major faction.

The Red Ravens was a glorious major faction. Many characters found their niche, including me. Then, part of the faction members rebelled. They added the presupposition of a giant bomb inside the heart of Red Raven territory without dev threads and communication. Our faction leader became vehemently opposed and dug her feet into the sand. Instead of working it out, she demanded a pre-determined outcome.

That stubborn attitude pushed the detonator trigger and our faction collapsed. As a concerned writer who doesn't wish history to repeat itself, I ask that you take this leap of faith with me and accept whatever outcome comes out of this trial (the trial, of which, many of us are trying to keep organic and real). I am here for you to do this the right way. I'm here to fight for you as a darn good defense attorney. The amount of money you'll be paying me is not a matter of concern.

[member="Miss Blonde"]

 

[Mr. OOC]

I'm not participating any longer regardless. Ali has yet again shown her writers belief that he can do whatever he damn well pleases and we will all bow down and support him.

Someone else can deal with the buffoonery of pre-determined outcomes. I'm going to go back to building a Droid army.

 

[Popo]

Also one last thing. People who are saying "the republic is dead! Mandos will prevail! Sith will prevail!" Here's what's going to happen. That's gonna go on for like a week, then someone somewhere is gonna start a cool thread or an event is going to happen, or another invasion, and then people are going to completely forget and move on to whatever's the next hot thing. The Sith Empire only collapsed because they chose to fall and "return to the shadows" then Storm coruscant out of nowhere with mega fleet and Vong. Real James Bond status there guys.

Don't mind me. I'm just enjoying linking viking gifs as responses.