Galactic Republic Weekly News

[Avalore Eden]

Two of my biggest curiosities:

When has a non-faction Master of any creed voted in a Master Vote within TJO?

When has a Master that has voted been told they were not allowed to or that their vote wouldnt be counted?

 

[Lugus Porkins]

[member="Avalore Eden"]

Example of when a master not strictly TJO affliated voted and told they were not allowed...

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Avalore Eden"]

The problem isn't that it has happened, although now seeing that it actually has thanks to [member="Lugus Porkins"], the problem is that we have been violating the rule for some time and we don't plan to stop violating the rule. We want TJO to vote on promotions, but if we continue to proceed as we have we are breaking the rules. Doing this means we can continue to only have TJO vote on promotions without breaking the rules.

And to be honest, I'm starting to have trouble understanding what is unclear about that point. We have been breaking the rule on master votes and are now arranging it so that we are no longer breaking the rule. It wouldn't have been an issue and we would have all gone about our days blissfully ignorant of this ever being an issue, but it was brought to our attention by someone who didn't like the fact we were only tagging TJO Masters.

 

[Tydeus of Tion]

I also think that the change seems excessive. I have never seen an instance of a non-Jedi member voting in a Master vote for a Jedi Order member save on a unanimous decision one time about a year ago.

Anyway, I can see a lot of opposition to this. Since this is the Republic faction, why don't we be democratic about it and get a member poll on it before doing anything else?

[member="Corvus Raaf"]

 

[Geneviève Lasedri]

I am astounded by the opposition to this. This changes absolutely nothing about how the faction operates. Except now you have to *gasp* actually be in the Jedi Order to vote on Jedi Order promotions.

Actually, I take my initial statement back. I'm not astounded at all. Someone always needs their dose of drama, I suppose.

 

[Jsc]

Tiers 1 - 3 (Apprentice, Knight, Master) are just one of the last blight's chaos has yet to rectify in a long history of player discrimination throughout the PbP genre. Tiers exist to make PvP exclusive, separate players into castes, and keep 'power' away from new members. They promote pride, exclusivity, selfishness, hazing, and dominate bad goal setting habits.

Yet. Most players absolutely demand them.

Compare NFUs. They require no such PvP exclusivity, separation of powers, caste systems, and power gaps. All NFUs have discovered the Great Freedom. That all writers are created equal. Therefore, all their characters are also equal. All things being free according to imagination.

I won't comment about which writer gets to sit in which private club. I won't comment about how writers demand to practice segregation. But I will comment about the dangers of appeasing false gods for the sake of tradition and our own blind lust for fictional titles and delusions of grandeur.

The day when Tiers 1-3 no longer exist on this board, is the day when Force Users stop being OP, vote hatred no longer happens, and we all see each other for what we really are. Equals.

Down with FU Tiers 1-3. Up, with all characters being made equal in the eyes of their creators. PvP included.

Don't hate the players. Hate the game.

 

[Zenitha Chuma]

Anyway, I can see a lot of opposition to this. Since this is the Republic faction, why don't we be democratic about it and get a member poll on it before doing anything else?

Because we, the writers, are not organized in a Republic. We're a benevolent oligarchy headed up by three Faction Admins with "life" terms (until they resign). Voting on every little faction change is just going to slow up the process. If we have serious concerns about the way our Faction Admins make a decision, or about their decisions themselves, then that's a different story and we should consider a change of leadership. To date, I haven't seen talk to that effect.

The FAs explained the cause and their reasoning for deciding. Any faction-wide votes are not going to change the options presented by Tef any more than they will likely change the outcome, unless somehow there's a massive outcry for having non-Republic FUs in the faction and a call to kick them out (but I don't see that here, so I don't predict that being the winning outcome). The only other option is to remove the Jedi Order, and it doesn't require a long look at this very board to figure out how that's going to go down.

I was initially opposed to this change because there was a severe lack of information presented. Once that changed, and I could see that this issue didn't pop out of thin air (some folks should really read further than the third post here), I stated that this change was the best outcome that could be asked for considering the situation and the options. Should the FAs have ignored the report and waited for the site admins to be involved? Perhaps we would be having a very different conversation then, talking about what the site admin team had forced upon the GR, instead of discussing the GR taking the initiative here.

The illusion of democracy isn't going to help us here. The decision is made, and the few saber rattlers are railing over the same points I made (and later retracted). This tells me there's no argument against this besides, well, to make an argument. Let's just let it be and move on to the next drama-inducing fiasco.

Or, hell, we could roleplay some stuff.

 

[H3xle]

[member="Megan Rhymes"]

I respectfully disagree with practically everything about your post.

The tier system is canon and necessary, otherwise we'd have people playing master level powers with zero development towards those powers. All specialized things that give or take away an edge require development, force powers do that in spades and so require significant development to reach the most powerful ones.

[Rant]
That said, I am not sure how respectful I can be towards those opposing the change. [member="lugus porkins"] has showed us that the problem has happened. Some one recently complained about not being included despite not being a member of the Jedi Order and this actually changes nothing about anything that matters. You prior claim that this is having the Republic, but it is doing nothing but allowing us to continue as we have been while also complying with site rules. Creating drama out of this is just showing how little respect you truly have for this faction.

[/rant]

 

[Quietus]

Thank you for the link.

 

[Aela Talith]

Does this also mean the reverse will be true?

Non-TJO members in the Republic can only get voted on by non-TJO Masters?

 

[Kian Karr]

Does this also mean the reverse will be true?

Non-TJO members in the Republic can only get voted on by non-TJO Masters?

Now that is a good question and one that hadn't crossed my mind! I suppose it could go either way as there haven't been many non-TJO knights or paddies, mostly just Masters.

I would say if there are enough non-TJO masters to vote for them then yes. But if there aren't enough active to vote, I would see nothing wrong with TJO masters voting OOC as long as the knight did not object. It would need to be something that is handled on a case by case basis should the need arise. Surely we wouldn't want anyone to have to wait for promotion due to no association with TJO.

I doubt it is an issue that will come up as there aren't many who don't want to be in TJO but in the GR. This change is only happening to make us comply with the rule not because it has been a major issue but because it was drawn to our attention and we have no intentions of allowing non-TJO voting on our promotions.

 

[Aela Talith]

Thank you for the answer Kian, one more thing. This bothered me;

I would see nothing wrong with TJO masters voting OOC as long as the knight did not object

Why is this not a problem when the opposite is?

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Aela Talith"]

You missed the part about only if the Knight does not object. The problem for us is we object to non-TJO masters voting on TJO promotions but can't stop it without doing this or we chance being reported for breaking site rules.

My point above is, that given the lack of non-TJO masters, if the knight wished TJO masters to vote for their promotion they could

 

[Micah Talith]

I'm interested in that answer myself.

There are more neutral and rogue padawans / knights here than before who don't associate with the traditional Jedi order but are citizens of the republic.

What of us then?

 

[Aela Talith]

[member="Kian Karr"]

I did not miss it.

The question still applies, and by your logic it should be up to the individual Knight who is getting promoted, not the faction itself. You can't actively speak for everyone.

In the future new members may join and may not be aware of this policy, and they might wish for all the Force Using masters in the faction to vote on them, because for me personally Master Votes are a great method of feedback.

However you answered my question so I'm happy. Thank you again.

 

[Axo Mend]

The question still applies, and by your logic it should be up to the individual Knight who is getting promoted, not the faction itself. You can't actively speak for everyone.

The idea that I as a Jedi padawan, who may interact with rogue padawans/knights/masters as much as I do Jedi padawans/knights/master as has happened with a lot of the younger padawans(brat pack) means that a lot of the people that have the knowledge to judge my progression would be excluded from the voting process is tough to swallow. It means that I would push to spend MORE time with just the Jedi masters to get my training, putting a burden on a system that is already bottom heavy with padawans. I know I'm not supposed to spend any time with them because they are -evil- but say I want to learn intuitive astrogation, not many people can teach that outside of a Merill, so I would be forced to not learn it or to suffer the backlash of training with someone I'm not supposed to.

 

[Kian Karr]

[member="Axo Mend"]

They wouldn't have had any say in your promotion before this change. We've always only allowed TJO masters to vote on promotion of TJO knights to master, and if your a padawan on TJO it is the decision of TJO if you are promoted to knight.

But in doing this it means we can continue to proceed as we have without breaking any site rules.

We are accepting of recommendations from outside the order, but if you are a member of The Jedi Order, promotion is handled by member of TJO, period.

 

[H3xle]

[member="Axo Mend"]

I can understand your point of view. However, if you wanted to be promoted to a Jedi Knight of the Jedi Order, IC it only makes sense that you spend time with Jedi Order people. You can still learn skills from others, but the fact remains that In Character the only people she to judge the worthiness to advance in TJO are those in TJO. You wouldn't expect to see Darth Tyranus (RIP) walking in to a Council Session to discuss the worthiness of Anakin Skywalker for Knighthood.

So, does thus possibly mean more work? Possibly, but more work isn't a bad thing. It means a more fleshed out character with more development behind it.

 

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[Aithne Charr]

Hmm... *Reads the whole non-TJO thing and smiles before going back to my work*