Galactic Republic Weekly News

[Tydeus of Tion]

[member="Aimone"], I understand you have opposition toward the concept of an OOC-democracy, for expediency's sake apparently, but that doesn't negate the fact that occasionally it is necessary to get a feel for how the member base sways with a poll. The FAs would make the final decision, but it would give them an idea of where people stand.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

[member="Ryan Korr"] - I don't know how many more times I can explain this. I've already said it I believe three times.

This was not something that the faction administration convened upon and decided to do simply for the sake of it.

• A report was sent indicating that the FA team was breaking the rules by not tagging and allowing the voting of all master FU in the faction.
• The FA brought this to the board admins for clarity and were told this was in fact, a rule.
• We requested a solution. We were given the three options below:

1. Kick all non TJO Force Users from the board.
2. Create a new faction for the Jedi and close it.
3. Create a sub-faction and only allow Jedi Order members to join and post, while allowing the rest of the members to still view the board.

We chose option three because for the majority of the member base there would be zero noticeable difference in the faction structure, while solving the issue that was raised of rule breaking.

THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE DOING IT. IT WAS STATED THAT WE ARE BREAKING THE RULES BY NOT INCLUDING ALL FORCE USING MASTERS, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO VOTE ON THE JEDI ORDER'S MEMBERS ADVANCEMENT IF THEY ARE NOT A PART OF THE JEDI ORDER.

 

[Zenitha Chuma]

[member="Aimone"], I understand you have opposition toward the concept of an OOC-democracy, for expediency's sake apparently, but that doesn't negate the fact that occasionally it is necessary to get a feel for how the member base sways with a poll. The FAs would make the final decision, but it would give them an idea of where people stand.

What you just described isn't democracy at all.

 

[Aithne Charr]

If i might speak. As a Non-Jedi order force user i agree with the idea of keeping those like myself out of votes involving members of the Jedi Order. A IC we would have no say nor any rights to criticize the members of the Jedi Order considering they could just wipe us out if they wanted to. Furthermore, you are NOT breaking the rules by restricting non-jedi masters. And if you are, that rule is and forgive the language moronic.

Look, this is the Republic and the Jedi Order, like it or not we as non-jedi order members should be seen as untrustworthy and be watched like hawks, not given power to vote on masters. Now, keep in mind this is by IC viewpoint. Sure you can say OOC that you are here to support the Republic and that you are doing what you are doing to help make it better, but thats not the point. Being a Jedi master is not for a Dark Jedi, or a Rogue, or a Sith, or a Senator to decide.

So in short, the rules should not dictate what ICly would not make sense, even though they do. And if non-JO members want to vote in a master vote... Well [member="Seraphina Shel'tah"] already answered that part but as a personal opinion, just sit down. ICly it makes no logical sense for you to vote.

 

[H3xle]

[member="Aimone"]

No, what he is describing is a representative republic.

Does that truly matter? They want to get our input on matters that they decide. This is a good thing.

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

you are NOT breaking the rules by restricting non-jedi masters. And if you are, that rule is and forgive the language moronic.

We were explicitly told that this is, in all actuality, breaking the rules, because they are "A master force user in the faction, therefore they get to vote." Which is why we disagree entirely with that.

 

[Aithne Charr]

... That is a moronic rule... *Double checks the site rules*

 

[Seraphina Shel'tah]

2. Knight to Master

• The Faction's Force-User Masters vote and decide on whether or not the Knight is to be promoted to Master.

 

[Aithne Charr]

There should be a clause in there about the fact of force using orders... i understand its suppose to be so that people all have a say but in cases like say the Jensaari and the Jedi Order where they are not part of the Government that should not be an open vote. But you already solved the problem with a subfaction, so it works out.

 

[Popo]

You all are taking this way too seriously. You should relax like Popo. Come, eat pudding with Popo. Enjoy life's bounty with Popo.

Come with meeee and you'll beeee
In a worrrrrld of pure imaginatioooonnnn!

 

[Jsc]

The tier system is canon and necessary, otherwise we'd have people playing master level powers with zero development towards those powers. All specialized things that give or take away an edge require development, force powers do that in spades and so require significant development to reach the most powerful ones.

For clarification, the tier system is not canon. It is a website mechanic.

It is also not a necessary website mechanic. There are no necessary website mechanics. Only the limitations of mind, code, and server. And please note, The Report Button covers all abuses of power. People already do play Tier 3 characters with zero development towards those powers. I am one of them. Karen Roberts (Tier 3) has 0 development threads. Zero. Nada. None. I received Tier 3 because I was chosen as a competent writer amongst my group of peers. Not because I grinded, gained xp, appeased a Faction quota, had 50 dev threads, used a Cash Shop Item, or leveled up my MMO.

Advancement to Tier 3 in many Factions is simply a process of hazing. Compare again, no NFU must endure this process of peer evaluation. Only the FU community demands to self evaluate it's members based on 'magical prowess'.

To continue. No 'power' or 'ability' or 'space magic' requires development. This is an illusion. A farce. A status quo. Created by members to give themselves the illusion of advancment within a space fantasy. The only real qualification for writing a Force Adept is having an imagination and a keyboard.

Returning to 'powers' and 'development'. Compare The Factory. No 'tech' or 'gizmo' or 'firearm' actually requires development. The Factory is an optional experience. You many equip or facilitate any 'power', 'tech', or 'gizmo' at any time. Abuse of power is always, and already, covered by the Report Button. No NFU requires 'development' to utility a 'power'. They only require a writer, an imagination, and a keyboard. Only the FU community demands such a practice. And please note. An approved submission in the Factory does not exempt said item from the practice of abuse. Approved items can still be 'abused'. Only the FU community still believes that a vote of confidence exempts a Tier 3 writer from abusing their space magic. It doesn't. Human nature to the contrary.

What you perceive is not real. You are interpreting Website Rules to fashion your own fantasy. So are the FAs. They see only in: Master and Jedi and Sith. They do not see in: Writer. They see only in: Exclude, Govern, Control, Segregate, Evaluate. They do not see that equality is already here. We are all the same. A Master Vote isn't real. It's a tool of discrimination based on unquantifiable and fictional criteria.

Lol. And lastly. For clarity. This entire post is not a correction. It is an invitation to see a new perspective outside of the status quo. A thank you card to the future. To imagine greater.

 

[Aithne Charr]

And uh, another thing. The Jedi Order is separated into 4 tiers in canon if im not wrong.

Learner, Padawan, Knight, and Master.

As well as the side branches like that of the Shadows, Watchmen, Sentinels, Guardians, and so on.

The Site mechanics work with just the basics, those that involving having a master or being a master, for organization purposes if im not wrong.

 

[Popo]

 

[Zenitha Chuma]

[member="Dair Cotarin"]

It matters not at all, since I've only ever seen one person calling for a vote on issues like this. But mistaken details tend to irritate me, and I have a habit of correcting them.

 

[H3xle]

[member="Aimone"]

That I can understand. I have a similar demon.

 

[H3xle]

[member="Megan Rhymes"]

Just to clarify, we saw Obi Wan Kenobi go through all three tiers. He was a Padawan, a Knight and then a Master. All of it on screen. Thus, canon.

The systems on this site have been built over years to ensure people can have fun without the constant need to bother RPJs. Development is to ensure that a writer is devoted to what they are doing, in the Codex, the Factory or the FU community.

I have been told by many on this site that I am a good writer. I am fully participating in the development process because it makes sense. It breeds a love of the character in my mind the same as when I take a paper and pencil character through several adventures or write one into several stories. Development shows that the writer cares to put in effort to the character.

This is meant to be my views on it, I shall never say that my views are the only view. This is meant in a conversational manner and not a grr manner.

 

[Jsc]

[member="Dair Cotarin"]

I completely agree. And if that is how you wish to pursue your writing and adventuring on this website? Then I commend you and wish you well. The process you have described is both voluntary, fun, and extremely appealing. If that is how you want to have fun? I say: Go for it. I myself have had wonderful adventures using that exact template.

Thanks for being awesome! Your posts are always great reads.

 

[Popo]

I'm interpretive gifing

 

[Micah tol Powl]

And uh, another thing. The Jedi Order is separated into 4 tiers in canon if im not wrong.

Learner, Padawan, Knight, and Master.

Depends which Jedi Order we're discussing.

In the Old Jedi Order, which is what I use for both of my Jedi, that would certainly be true. And I write this character as a Jedi Youngling for some things, and a Jedi Padawan for others -- such as him having a Knight mentor. But this is for story and roleplay opportunities, not for promotion or advancement. Given my track record of aging characters, unless you folks tell me that the youngling joke has grown stale, you're probably all doomed to Zak's fart jokes in character for some time and none of us will live to see Zak promoted to knight. I didn't create him with the idea of him ever being a Jedi Knight, and so my goals in writing him don't even take that into consideration.

Plus, if I need a knight level character for anything, I just jump on Sor-Jan and harass you guys with the baby vamp.

Now, in Luke's Jedi Order, it was different. The levels were Apprentice, Knight, and Master. There weren't any Jedi Younglings or Jedi Initiates. So here's how we get to a three-tier system. As [member="Dair Cotarin"] points out, this flows well with canon. We see Luke (original trilogy) and Obi-Wan (prequels) develop within what appears to be a three-tier system of Apprentice, Knight, and Master.

And, also, most people are going to start with an older character for whom the Jedi Youngling/Jedi Initiate years are part of their backstory as opposed to where they are starting. So we can still account for this unofficial 'rank' in-character.

But for the purpose of balancing PVP, its also important that the Force Users all work within equal structures. Canon could be interpreted as the Sith having only 2 ranks for example. But if the Sith had 2 ranks and the Jedi had 4 ranks, PVP would become completely imbalanced because it would take the Jedi so much more development to get on equal footing. In the context of the movies, where the Sith are the BIG BAD, this works. Here on Chaos, half the population of Player Characters are Darth Vader, so the same isn't feasible here. So, we have the structure that we have to provide balance.

That said, [member="Megan Rhymes"] makes some good points about how NFUs handle what's effectively the same issues without an OOC rank structure to govern it. But, the site rules are the site rules and this thread is addressing how we operate the faction within the rules that we're given. Discussion about changing the site rules isn't a faction debate.

tl;dr [member="Popo"]'s gifs are awesome.

 

[Jsc]

Discussion about changing the site rules isn't a faction debate.

Acknowledged and agreed. I have moved my thoughts to a different forum for further introspection. I apologize. My comments were made in bad taste.

Carry on!