Crunch Time

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Connor Harrison"], [member="Kei Amadis"], [member="Thurion Heavenshield"], [member="Coci Heavenshield"], [member="Valiens Nantaris"]


Use Ssi-Ruuvi weapons. They paralyse limbs. Fringe made a blaster version. Paralysis beam bypasses lightsabres unless you specifically calibrate them to block it (which makes the sabre unable to block normal blaster bolts).


That said, I'm ethically opposed to merely stunning Sith instead of killing them. Unless this is a prelude to enhanced interrogation. The most ethical cure to the Sith condition is death. It prevents a Sith from doing evil, thereby preventing him or her from sinning more. Unless the Sith cheats and returns from the dead.


On a slightly more serious level, it would probably be a good idea to come to a decision regarding the next course rather than just going back and forth over what to do. Several people have voted in the poll and there's another discussion thread about the same issue in this forum.


ICly Sio dislikes GA because the Jedi jihadists would consider her evil for using Force Lightning because that's bad...but she wouldn't be attending negotiations with them.

 

[Connor Harrison]

[member="Siobhan Kerrigan"] I'm touched you took my Splurge Gun weapon seriously! I'll certainly look into that weapon, but I actually agree that killing a Sith is the best course of action.

Stunning them for intense interrogation they'd not walk away from is the only way I'd do it!

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

The ST dominion is going so slowly that it'll be July before the rebellion is ready.

I suggest we strike them in an invasion. I'll research their planets and come up with some alternatives.

 

[Nima Tann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

After looking through all the planet ST possess I was going to present a series of options.

However, I see only one planet is of any worth: Ruusan. The rest are merely uninteresting stubs.

Further, Ruusan has importance to the Jedi and forms a good casus belli for war.

Therefore my plan is to, after hearing any last comments or ideas, to send notice to the ST admins that we are going to invade.
If their dominion reaches rebellion levels our friends in the Crimson Lotus can intervene and we will support them as mentioned previously.
If the Dominion never reaches that level we will claim that hex after the invasion.

Any last objections, questions, requests or comments?

 

[Orihime Ike]

[member="Valiens Nantaris"] can we have twi'lek's painted french girl style on the sides of the ships so they know who is leading us into battle?


also provides tactical advantage against enemy fighters as they will stare at the image and not notice our guns taking aim at them

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Valiens Nantaris"]


If SSC goes for an invasion, I'd also suggest planning a dom for the future to shore up the very long (and vulnerable) southern tentacle. A counterattack from either Sith faction could cut it.


In the event that SSC wins the invasion (a hypothetical situation), the tentacle will be absurdly long.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Siobhan Kerrigan"]
That is the plan, yes.

Since I suspect ST will not reach rebellion stage with their dom we can take that hex when the invasion is over.

Failing that we grab a nearby hex to pad it out.

 

[Eun]

Just curious why you all are set to attack the newest faction on the block instead of the One Sith. Speaking as the F.O., Galactic Alliance could really use your help.

Additionally, there's the moral element at play. The Galactic Alliance consciously made the decision not to invade the First Order, even though it is right on our doorstep and even though we could have rolled them over completely. Why? Because they're a newer faction and invading them while they're still fleshing out and getting members just feels slimy, but also because we found a better alternative that has benefitted us both. We provide fun opposition in each others' dominions. Not only does this develop good relationships OOC, but it also means we get to have long term story lines that help build each other up.

Am I biased? 100%. But I also think you should all maybe take a moment to 1. Think about how it looks to invade a faction barely two months old. And 2. Think about alternatives to invasion, such as the G.A. worked out with the First Order.

 

[Delsin Shaw]

Am I biased? 100%. But I also think you should all maybe take a moment to 1. Think about how it looks to invade a faction barely two months old. And 2. Think about alternatives to invasion, such as the G.A. worked out with the First Order.

You also have to think not just from an OOC POV. For us who are against the Sith, seeing one giant Sith faction (OS) take out the almost 25 planets away from the GR in the map game, is a very bold move. Even more so with the ST because they are smack dab between our routes between the Republic and the SSC. To prevent lost of trade deals, general "friendship of the factions" we could viably attack a faction to prevent another outbreak of the Sith, or just because they are threatening to break the connection we have with the GR.

Now in my mind, I do not care either for us to attack the One Sith, or the Sith Triumvirate. I know writers in both of the factions who wouldn't mind. However, you have to look at it like this as well. The One Sith started with a big bang by invading courscant right from the getgo. One planet. The ST took over an entire hex within their first few IC weeks/months upon entering the Galactic scale.

There are valid reasons for both sides. I understand why you may not want to attack the ST, but honestly, this is a Poll. Which is just where EVERYBODY in the faction is thinking. Now if the Staff want to go a different way, and attack the OS, then I guess we are attacking the OS.

As the saying goes, All is fair in the game of war.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Am I biased? 100%.

[member="Katya Shorn"]

There's our problem.

Your concerns are noted...but since you are a faction admin of ST it's rather disingenuous for you to post here without acknowledging this fact.

If you go onto the map you're painting a target on yourselves. There's a potential for great rewards, but also the threat someone might attack you. Take it as a compliment that we view you guys as a potential threat enough to try and deal with you now.

As you can see though the faction very much supports this move. If you'd rather negotiate a deal on behalf of the faction let's take it to PM. However, we're not going to give this up easily.

 

[Eun]

I haven't acted in an FA capacity for the ST since I became the G.A.'s FO. I also acknowledged that I'm biased, so I'm confused how you think I presented myself disingenuously. As the G.A., I'd rather have you all invade the OS than the TriSith, because the TriSith aren't really a threat. Evidence? That slow dominion you pointed out earlier.

I understand you're all worried about the Sith on your doorstep, but have any of your characters even interacted with these Triumvirate Sith? Have you sent an envoy? Have you discussed anything with them?

Maybe the Triumvirate Sith aren't set on the same ideals as the One Sith. Maybe they'd even be amenable to aiding the Sanctum.

Things to consider.

I'll see if the Triumvirate FO can get in touch with [member="Thurion Heavenshield"]

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

I understand you're all worried about the Sith on your doorstep, but have any of your characters even interacted with these Triumvirate Sith? Have you sent an envoy? Have you discussed anything with them? Maybe the Triumvirate Sith aren't set on the same ideals as the One Sith. Maybe they'd even be amenable to aiding the Sanctum.

Speaking as someone who hasn't voted in the poll, they're Sith. I'd say that answers the question. Run by former OS leaders. The fact that they don't have an 'omnipotent' NPC Dark Lord and claim to provide law, order and security doesn't change that. It just means they have better marketing and are Lawful Evil instead of Always Chaotic Evil.


From an IC point of view being their friends is absurd. I know what Siobhan would reject any idea of peaceful interaction or friendship with them and consider it betrayal.


The Republic made nice with Sith under Aleidis and, as I recall, two Sith then demolished a good chunk of Coruscant. I'd imagine if ST was in a stronger position it would invade SSC. After all, it occupies the Sith homeworlds (along with the Tion Cluster) and they went major right next to it.


[member="Katya Shorn"]

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Katya Shorn"]
Sith do not aid Jedi, and any which did stop being Sith.

The question to ask yourself is "would you do any different if our positions were reversed?" I don't know about you personally but from previous experience the Sith Empire and One Sith have not hesitated to kick factions which are down. Repeatedly.

If you wish to get the FO to send a PM to SSC staff it's me, Thurion, [member="Coci Heavenshield"] and [member="Connor Harrison"].

If things don't work out it'll all be set for our invasion terms PM.

 

[Nima Tann]

Plus we had a full faction thread about [member="Matsu Xiangu"] unleashing an undead horde over one of our planets. She is a member of the Triumvirate. So, yep, Sith is still Sith. ((It was a very enjoyable thread and I liked it very much though, so it is in IC view ))

[member="Katya Shorn"]

 

[Eun]

The question to ask yourself is "would you do any different if our positions were reversed?" I don't know about you personally but from previous experience the Sith Empire and One Sith have not hesitated to kick factions which are down. Repeatedly.

Don't know if you saw it, or not, but I did give you an example of where our positions were reversed, lol. I am the Galactic Alliance Faction Owner. The First Order are bad guys. They are on our doorstep. They genocided a planet. They're also a brand new faction. Did we invade them? No. We do dominion opposition for each other.

I've never been a part of the SE or OS admin teams, but even if I was I think you might still want to question the sort of ethics you're using.

Bobby stole Billy's toy, therefore it is ok for me to steal Bobby's toy.

Probably a bad idea.

 

[Delsin Shaw]

[member="Katya Shorn"], The One SIth were fighting toe to toe with the GR not even days into their Major faction status...

I mean, unless you think the ST can't do that. Anyways, I honestly do not care for attacking the OS or the ST. Both are Sith of their own rights. They both have made actions against others that the SSC does not approve of. Honestly, If you were to take a soldier and tell them, "Pick which sith you want to fight first" Which one do you think they will choose? The one that has a huge hulking cloud of influence, or take a small detour to take out a smaller sect of Sith on the way to attack the larger group?

They don't care as long as they are paid, and think they are doing something right.

From an OOCPOV, I can see why you can implement Wheaton's Law. But IC, where war is on the line, and when people are kills for the Lulz, or just in general, the law holds no meaning. As the famous line from Enders Game movie. (I am butchering it right now) "I kicked him while he was down to prevent all other fights from starting."

 

[Eun]

All fair points, I don't disagree with you from a tactical perspective. I just wish we had the time to expand our member base to actually put up a decent fight in an invasion (which is why I feel like the little guy is being picked on).

"I kicked him while he was down to prevent all other fights from starting."

'cept Ender ended up genociding an entire species and regretting it for the rest of his life

But yeah, I'm sure whatever the outcome it'll be an interesting story at least.

Ciao!

 

[Connor Harrison]

Seems like we have SSC wanting to attack the Sith, and some NOT wanting to.


Did I mention my 'Silver Sanctum: Civil War' story idea at all....?

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

Seems like we have SSC wanting to attack the Sith, and some NOT wanting to. Did I mention my 'Silver Sanctum: Civil War' story idea at all....?

That would make zero sense.


[member="Connor Harrison"]