by Shiraya's grace
Then don't.
And if you don't know you are, live in blissful ignorance and have fun.
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- Thread starter Razmir Tezhyn
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And if you don't know you are, live in blissful ignorance and have fun.
L E F T _ H A N D _ B A N E
I have moral beliefs I'm not going to sacrifice.
If I eat an amazing three course meal only to learn I was monching on some human-meat, I'm still going to be outraged.
I'm not going and should not be expected to sit there and just hope the person on the otherside of the thread is giving me the decency of human interaction.
Write with AI if you want, I just wanna know. Because I'm not going to sit there, bust my ass for thirty minutes, drafting and editing, just for someone to go "Grok, write a reply for this."
Scherezade deWinter
The Blood Hound
Why are we trying to add more fences for people who just wanna have some escapism after school/work? This is very similar to the one liners vs paragraph writers debates. You wanna announce you're using AI? Sure, add the button. Think someone's relying too heavily on AI for your morals/taste? Stop reading them and don't write with them. There's no reason to over-complicate things.
L Admin
Im not adding a @#$&ing button you people are so cooked
Scherezade deWinter
The Blood Hound
L Admin
I mean if a person wants to, whatever, but if a culture starts brewing that demands this of other writers, I’m gonna shut that shit down so hard. We are not scarlet lettering people because they like using LLMs to write. Thats some beyond the pale dumb shit I will go full scorched earth on, and I will win.
You people are overcooking.
You people are overcooking.
L Admin
Hear me, o people of Chaos, hear me now
Do not let this topic of bipolar hyperbolicism misconstrue your chances at enacting substantial change on this topic. Your choices on AI affect you, and no other. Should you come to a different conclusion, your options are to leave, maybe make an AI free forum and see how that fares, or make peace with it.
There is no scarlet lettering, there is no witch hunt option. To believe these options exist seal a fate of certain doom, of eviction, of destruction and total annihilation of not only one’s earthly tether - but the total extinguishing of one’s heavenly soul.
Do not let this topic of bipolar hyperbolicism misconstrue your chances at enacting substantial change on this topic. Your choices on AI affect you, and no other. Should you come to a different conclusion, your options are to leave, maybe make an AI free forum and see how that fares, or make peace with it.
There is no scarlet lettering, there is no witch hunt option. To believe these options exist seal a fate of certain doom, of eviction, of destruction and total annihilation of not only one’s earthly tether - but the total extinguishing of one’s heavenly soul.
D R E A M E R
I'm not going to say no one is doing this because there's literally no way for me to know this with 100% certainty, but if there are then I can assure you that it is maybe one or two people at best. It is no where near enough people to ever have a fear that you'll accidentally find yourself enjoying an AI-generated block of text, but I would suggest you reconsider your approach to this because putting something into this level of taboo inevitably leads to falsely assuming and/or accusing people of doing said taboo.
Yeah, a lot of people use AI for art because nearly nobody here has the time or skills to do it ourselves nor the money to pay someone else to, and most of us previously just yoinked art from artstation/deviantart/google and slapped on a border before (which is equally bad for anyone with a moral stance on AI art, by the way, if not worse), but all of us here write (it's kind of the whole thing we do here) so chances are the majority of us are going to be actually pressing the keys that lead to the text on screen.
I personally won't care if people aren't as long as the posts I'm replying to and being replied by are giving me the same experience as writing with a genuine human being's own thoughts, but I get that you (having expressed it several times now) will and there's honestly nothing wrong with having a personal preference of who you choose to write with, but don't expect everyone to have the same level of care about that (or viewpoint) as you.
Don't expect everyone else to require everyone to make note whenever/wherever chatgpt or midjourney or whatever is used in posts/bios/etc just because you have a stance against it. 1.) A lot of generative AI is going to look like a lot of people's writing because its training data is literally average writing, 2.) You're going to cause a lot of people to avoid you the second you suggest or say that someone is using generative AI when they are, in fact, not. A lot of people take a stance of not writing with people they perceive as presumptuous, and this community tends to avoid people once they have that reputation.
If you already have a preconceived notion that this is a widespread enough thing for you to want people to label it in their accounts/posts then I think it's time to log off and do something else, because this both isn't a problem and isn't something that is going to end in a way that'll somehow prevent you from interacting with those people should people start doing so in a way that isn't you finding out from them without having to ask or discuss it first. That or I suggest making it a habit of asking every single individual who you expect to interact with if they use generative AI in any way that'll cause you to not want to write with them.
Little Fool
Personally, yes, I use AI to translate my texts since I am not a native English speaker. What's more, I use it for creative purposes to help me, for example, I will ask it to generate a tavern, fictitious employees, or other things, and yes, it is a useful aid. It all depends once again on how you use it. It does me a lot of good personally. Google translate have a limit caracter and tha's not very practice for me. It's a tool, who can help you, or not, that's depend of your views.
Valeria de la Vallée
Lady of Vanity
You can always ask the other writer if they are/are going to use AI for writing with you. If they say Yes, then let them know you aren't comfortable with that, if they want to write with you enough then they should respect that and if not then just let them know you aren't going to write with them. If they say No, then either believe them or have the human experience of feeling lied to.
Either way, we're all Adults, we don't need disclaimers to work out opinion or belief disagreements between other adults that can be solved by having a conversation imo.
Arris Windrun
Dark Horse
I know we're already 4 pages deep, but y'all, the OP of this thread said nothing about the merits, quality, or ethics of AI.
It was literally just a conversation about transparency and how people felt about voluntary self-disclosure.
It was literally just a conversation about transparency and how people felt about voluntary self-disclosure.
Vazela
OOC Writer Account
Skim reading this thread it amazes me still, after twenty plus years of roleplaying, that people are still trying to find ways about how to control or change the way people write. Back in the day it was the age argument of "you're clearly metagaming you POS" and today it is "this is clearly written by AI". I've always hated it...
The Little Princess
The OP brought up a "food for thought" topic that led to other "food for thought" notions...Which is pretty normal if we take a moment to consider associative thinking. (Ex. I discuss climate change, then someone else mentions a recent hurricane, and someone else begins talking about emergency preparedness. The same thing happened here, as if often happens, on SWRP.) How the thread turned out is NOT the OP's fault and by his own words wasn't his intention...However, that doesn't mean the resulting discussion is invalid. Everything pointed out is related to some degree.
No matter how this was brought up, because of the stigma, it was always going to raise red flags. It was always going to evolve into more than a throwaway comment or suggestion. We can't raise the idea that people blanket "disclose" themselves without also expecting others might take issue and consider the long-term ramifications, like instances of unfair judgment, and ostracism.
TLDR: We are human. We're not bots. We ARE going to have complicated emotions, feelings, and reactions to a hot-button issue that very well may go down a rabbit hole. Let the people talk.
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Right? I can recall some RP communities trying to make it so that amab players couldn't write female characters without some sort of flag or disclaimer (if at all). A few years back, it was smut/ERP behind closed doors, as though that cheapened everything else that player touched.
Time is a flat circle, I guess.
Devastare Incarnare
Allow me a moment to pop off.
I think this whole idea is counter productive. I write to explore my own character themes, and play around with improve. So for me, i could care less. Give me something to write to. On that note, maybe someone else does collaborative RP to read my posts about those themes and my improv. (bare with my ego for a second) If they can give an AI a good structure and it can produce a solid cohesive response to my writing that gives me something to work with. I'd take that over having someone burn out because they've been too busy to write and feel like they need to take time out of their day to give me something intricate to work with. Simply because that's just not what I'd want.
We have this AI debate in every college class at the start of every college semester I've been in for the last three or so years. It's exhausting, to the point I've had recorded myself writing because the detectors are so faulty and anyone who uses an EM dash is crucified by their professor.
So when this is brought up
And when this is brought up
This in and of itself becomes the core of the topic. And I'd just like to put some more of that food for thought out there.
I wont sit here and pretend that AI doesn't write well. In fact, it can write very well if given parameters of a character and told to form a x amount of words post, knowing those parameters and character markers. Doubt me? Go ahead and pull up ChatGPT and ask it to write a short 200 word story about batman doing literally anything. It would be pretty close to how what most people would imagine batman doing. (Depending on the version of the comics or various forms of media you're familiar with)
This is because it is a technology that learns, in fact that is the entire premise of AI. Learning from intelligent examples it finds. Humans are the only truly intelligent species on this planet, ergo it only works because it has learned to write from us. It knows about batman's traits, because he's a very popular fictional hero, and he's also very distinct. Now you go ahead and write a story about batman. Then copy/paste it into GPT and ask it if your own version is consistent with his tone of voice. You might get close, but it might ultimately pick out details you didn't think about, because it know the creators works better than we ever could. (Or at the very least it will reach that point.)
This is further supported because it learns from human writing. It would not place in EM dashes if it didn't learn it from humans. In fact it wouldn't put in commas, periods, capitalization or even know where nouns should go in a sentence if it didn't learn it from humans first.
Reserve your self-integrity though. If you think someone is writing with AI beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is hard to do because someone could easily make it write a post, and do a simply deletion of EM dashes and a compounding of sentences and it would fool a detector in a heartbeat) then don't engage if that's not your thing.
And if you feel like you don't have the time or creativity to write but still want to roleplay and interact with the community. And you have a very powerful, and very accurate tool to do so, then i don't think that person should simply be punished because they want to enjoy a hobby that we all enjoy. One that is admittedly already in a niche.
I think this whole idea is counter productive. I write to explore my own character themes, and play around with improve. So for me, i could care less. Give me something to write to. On that note, maybe someone else does collaborative RP to read my posts about those themes and my improv. (bare with my ego for a second) If they can give an AI a good structure and it can produce a solid cohesive response to my writing that gives me something to work with. I'd take that over having someone burn out because they've been too busy to write and feel like they need to take time out of their day to give me something intricate to work with. Simply because that's just not what I'd want.
We have this AI debate in every college class at the start of every college semester I've been in for the last three or so years. It's exhausting, to the point I've had recorded myself writing because the detectors are so faulty and anyone who uses an EM dash is crucified by their professor.
So when this is brought up
I would like to mention that people enjoy this hobby for different reasons. If you don't want to write with someone using AI, that is entirely your choice as an individual. (Small addition here. But I personally think that if someone writes with an AI it should be treated more as disliking their writing style than them using a cop-out.)
And when this is brought up
(Also this whole post from you is so based)
This in and of itself becomes the core of the topic. And I'd just like to put some more of that food for thought out there.
I wont sit here and pretend that AI doesn't write well. In fact, it can write very well if given parameters of a character and told to form a x amount of words post, knowing those parameters and character markers. Doubt me? Go ahead and pull up ChatGPT and ask it to write a short 200 word story about batman doing literally anything. It would be pretty close to how what most people would imagine batman doing. (Depending on the version of the comics or various forms of media you're familiar with)
This is because it is a technology that learns, in fact that is the entire premise of AI. Learning from intelligent examples it finds. Humans are the only truly intelligent species on this planet, ergo it only works because it has learned to write from us. It knows about batman's traits, because he's a very popular fictional hero, and he's also very distinct. Now you go ahead and write a story about batman. Then copy/paste it into GPT and ask it if your own version is consistent with his tone of voice. You might get close, but it might ultimately pick out details you didn't think about, because it know the creators works better than we ever could. (Or at the very least it will reach that point.)
This is further supported because it learns from human writing. It would not place in EM dashes if it didn't learn it from humans. In fact it wouldn't put in commas, periods, capitalization or even know where nouns should go in a sentence if it didn't learn it from humans first.
Reserve your self-integrity though. If you think someone is writing with AI beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is hard to do because someone could easily make it write a post, and do a simply deletion of EM dashes and a compounding of sentences and it would fool a detector in a heartbeat) then don't engage if that's not your thing.
And if you feel like you don't have the time or creativity to write but still want to roleplay and interact with the community. And you have a very powerful, and very accurate tool to do so, then i don't think that person should simply be punished because they want to enjoy a hobby that we all enjoy. One that is admittedly already in a niche.
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