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A United Jedi Order

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A long, long, long, looooong time ago, there was one single Jedi order. Due to IC complications, different interests, and the rise of the Sith as a dominant power, that order no longer exists. There are many different groups: The Silvers, Republic, NJO, The Covenant, and many other smaller branching organizations.

Each of these groups is (usually) tied to a galactic power of some sort. A lot of the reason for this is that it's easy to build something on the back of a faction, people like to have their way with their own little groups, and everyone has their own interpretation as to what a Jedi actually is.

The problem here is that in the process of us all trying to enforce our own beliefs, training regimes, alignments and core systems, we've become something else. Each group has its own culture, and that's wonderful, but the disconnect between us breeds resentment and rivalry.

Grandmaster A wants Grandmaster B to have his High Councilors defer to her Grand Council. The Grand council wants to have an NPC Grandmaster, but Grandmaster A is already a Grandmaster, and has worked hard to take attain that position. Thus disconnect and animosity, sometimes on the OOC level.

OOCly, to me, the splintering of the Jedi factions ruins the atmosphere of what it means to be a Jedi. I saw the OT first, but I wasn't old enough to really understand Star Wars until the The Phantom Menace came out. Say what you will about PT, but I fell in love with the concept of hundreds of space wizards united to defend the galaxy. The council was mesmerizing; seeing all these Jedi walking around going about their business was amazing to a fat little version of me.

My little tangent aside, I think we should all be united. Not by a strict system mind you, as that was what helped caused our splintering in the first place, but by a set of core beliefs. In the past people have been against a mass unification because they felt they would lose the positions they had worked for, and the progress they had made. Those are valid fears.

Yet, from an IC point of view, the Jedi's refusal to unite is both troubling and rather odd. It goes against the very nature of what Jedi are supposed to be, doesn't it?

I have a bit of a solution, and it's inspired by the Old Republic's Jedi Order. In the past, the Jedi Order was ruled by the High Council. Territories affiliated with the Order too far from the galactic core were controlled by smaller councils, such as the one on Dantooine. These councils were mostly autonomous and went about their usual business until the High Council contacted them for any numbers of reasons.

I propose two things. One, the Order itself will have no favorite planetary government. The Order would span all of the 'good guy' factions that would allow them within their borders. This way, the Council could send Jedi wherever they might be needed most to bolster military forces against the Sith, help diplomatic relations move along, and bring change on a galactic scale.

Two, the various orders already established would be absorbed by the overarching Jedi Order, and have councils similar to the one on Dantooine. They would be tied to whatever galactic power they sprung up with, and be the first responders to whatever conflicts might arise in their respective regions.

Temples, training, gear, ship designs, holocrons, etc would be absorbed and shared by the entire Jedi Order. Certain groups would be responsible for maintaining different things: a group devoted to maintaining lore and knowledge, a larger circle of healers, battlemasters and their students to serve as the bulwark against the Sith -- things like that.

The High Council would be the governing body of the Order, as it was in the past. A member of each sub-group would be required to sit upon the Council at first to ease tensions, though that could change as people stop identifying as 'Silver', 'Republic, or 'NJO', and instead refer to them all unanimously as the Jedi Order. The initial members of the High Council would be appointed via the vote of the entire Order, and members added later on could be added by a High Council vote.

The position of Grandmaster has both been a boon and a curse in the past. Most folks strive for it. Some people get upset when others receive it and they do not. Grandmasters have had a great amount of IC power, and that has often been used for good. They are an example for the entire Order to strive to be. I am a strong believer that the Order needs a figurehead to represent it; someone with the virtues one would think of when they hear the word 'Jedi'. Still, whether or not such a position would be implemented should be for the community to decide.

I honestly think this can work if we can all set aside OOC pride and old resentments. ICly, it's been proven that divided we can barely protect ourselves, let alone the galaxy's denizens. OOCly, I want my old Jedi Order back, and I think some other folks do too.

These are all just my thoughts, and my track record ain't great. The real decisions should be voted upon by everyone it would be effecting (if their leaders even agree to it) rather than be decided by a small minority.

Please be constructive in your thoughts.
 
I didn't read your post. I read the topic.

While I don't write a Jedi, that's my own thing, I really support the idea of the Jedi being a unified order again. It would help unite the Light Sided factions that have their own Jedi, and that is something this board could desperately need against the dark side.

Okay, I lied, I read your post.

Having flavor to the Jedi is fun, and face it, all masters/students of the Order in canon novels were a bit different, so why not allow for that, as I'm kind of understanding, by having the various temples/minor councils (Sullust, Voss, wherever the Jedi Order ran off too) where they each have their own focus but follow the Jedi tenats, that is cool, because flavor.

The idea of a High Jedi Council seems to be a really awesome idea. Pulling the respected members/grand leaders, of the various cults into one meeting for discussion would be a great roleplay experience and could shape the smaller councils.

I dig it.
 
[member="Isley Verd"]
Only issue with that is there would be three. I feel taking the respected members of each of the smaller orders and putting them together, 3 from each or something, would add more texture to the High Council, but yes.
 
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]

It's RP, we make the impossible possible with but a flick of the wrist.

[member="Coren Starchaser"], [member="Cyril Grayson"]

Okay, so each Council elects its own Grandmaster and chooses two more to sit on the High Council with them. Set basic standards for selection that each Council abides by (i.e. Master or whatever), but outside of that tell them to to nuts.
 
Cyril Grayson said:
Please be constructive in your thoughts.

Good try, though, [member="Jay Scott Clark"]

Jedi are a wide religion, there are always going to be different views, but they ARE ONE GROUP. They would respect each other. Qui-Gon respected the likes of the Council, they didn't always trust him, but they respected him and worked with him. Similar to Vos. They didn't excommunicate him. They tried to curb their differences.

It can work, and it can work on the game, it has before.
 
[member="Coren Starchaser"]
[member="Isley Verd"]
[member="Cyril Grayson"]
[member="Jay Scott Clark"]
[member="Shiro De'Vol"]

Overall, its a nice idea. But too much has happened ICly since the founding of this site and over the last 800 years since the Fall of the Empire. Truly uniting is impossible. But, making a sort of United Nations-esque alliance isn't so unthinkable. It would certainly help against the One Sith.

Face it, guys. Unless some form of military and political alliance is formed, since true unification like the Old Republic is impossible by this point (Not until the constant warfare ends, or at least slows down), the One Sith will eventually win. Everyone else will become naught by rival rebellions.
 
[member="Cyril Grayson"]

I and a group of others have been wanting for this for... well, a long time. It's a huge part of the reason why the Jedi Academy Network was created - to facilitate communication, cooperation, training, and growth between these far-flung and separate groups of Jedi, who alone often experienced an imbalance of trainers to the sheer glut of trainees.

And I agree with [member="Coren Starchaser"] and [member="Isley Verd"]. A few from each 'Order', one being the 'Grandmaster' of each, to make up the High Council. Individual councils from each group would still remain, as they would for far-flung academies, temples, enclaves, etc, under the Old Republic model. This is how I think it'd best work with the least amount of change to the existing structures.
 
And let's be honest here, this is the difference between the One Sith and the Republic.

At its prime, the OS had damn near every professing Sith under its banner. Offshoots happen. Drama happens. But even now they still have that overwhelming majority.

A unified order breeds unlimited power.
 
[member="Cyamus Romulus"] - Allow me to provide an example here.

When the Sith Empire lost, a lot of people thought the OS were going to be a sham. We didn't pay it much mind. Then, for a full year, the OS managed to gain just about every damned disparate Sith Warlord on the board under its banner, and managed to crush our united group. That was supposed to be impossible, now they're the largest faction on the site.

The reason this has not happened yet is because people write it off as impossible.
 
[member="Cyril Grayson"]

True. But, first, they need to start off with just a military alliance, similar to the Allied Forces of WWII. Its a similar scenario, here, except, well, sci-fi. This situation reminds me of Warhammer 40k, where the galaxy is in a constant state of perpetual war...
 
[member="Cyamus Romulus"] - You're talking to the guy that ran the Space Marine ripoff faction bud, I get what ya mean. There already is a military alliance between two of the major factions. If the TJO can get on board, we could get something working.

[member="Coci Heavenshield"] - Political involvement is what ruined us in the first place. We should help who we can, but we shouldn't be tied to any particular group.

[member="Ilias Nytrau"] - That's the plan Stan, and with the Academy network already there, we might have a bit of a foundation to work off of.
 
To follow up on my previous post... the 'line' has already begun to blur. Jedi in the Galactic Alliance and the Silver Sanctum Coalition are already shoring up ties. When TJO became a minor faction not wholly intertwined with the Republic, it was heralded as a crucial step in this direction so many of us have wanted for so long, and Jedi from each faction have stepped into it, willingly. The pieces have been falling into place, albeit slowly, but I believe we're on the right track.

As we've also learned on this road, nothing can be forced. The last time that was tried, progress to unification was set back for a considerable number of months, and has only recovered from that within the past few weeks, with TJO taking the step of becoming minor.

It can be done. It will be done.
 
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