Question What the hell is "Force-Dead"?

[Moff Evner Braxiatel]

I was searching what Force-Dead actually means, but the Wookieepedia page is rather bland as to what it is. Do we have a proper definition here in Chaos?

Can Force-Dead entities be affected by Force powers such as Mind control, combustion, force-choke and other powers applied directly to them?

 

[Soundwave]

I've always treated it as they are not able to be perceived and therefore manipulated by the Force. So intangible powers like Push, Pull, Choke, Sight, etc wouldn't be usable on you because you exist like a void where there is nothing for those powers to interact with. However, if I were to use the Force to throw a rock at you well inertia and the laws of physics still exist and I can still interact with you that way, which to an extent also extends to things like Combustion, Cryo and Lightning where it's moreso interacting with the space of the environment rather than you.

 

[Teckla Tane]

Moff Evner Braxiatel I would read the Yuuzhan Vong Wookieepedia entry. In the 4th paragraph of the appearance and biology section is the best Force-dead explanation as provided by EU Canon. I'm sure there has been some evolution of the term for Chaos, but for the most part that's the most detailed description.

 

[Alan]

Basically it means you want to win in PvP and the Vong books are pretty bad with this introduction

Edit:

Jokes aside it’s silly and nonsensical to me. I don’t think it’s ever very clearly defined and even in the books and lore it’s in, it’s not very well…. Established how it works. Or what it really means.

 

[Micah tol Powl]

In general terms, we're told that the Force connects all living things. Then the Legends writers introduced the Yuuzhan Vong, who are not connected to the Force. Ergo, they are "dead" to the Force or Force-Dead.

But then Vongsense is an ability Jedi can learn, so its like anything else from the books. Your mileage may vary and there is really no one interpretation that is going to be consistently applied across every use. Case in point, we're originally told that a Jedi has to cut themselves off from the Force to use Vongsense but I don't recall that limitation being consistent.

In general, Force abilities can't directly effect a Force-Dead being like a Yuuzhan Vong. But if you throw a bus at them, the bus will impact them just fine.

 

[Boggo Flib]

Do we have a proper definition here in Chaos?

Soundwave summed it up

But Ill also add this, something Ive observed on Chaos is the use of the term "force dead" on Non-Force user characters. But they are not like the Yuuzhan vong species. Instead these Non-Force user characters are unable or cutoff from being sensitive to the force, but can still be effected by all force abilities in every aspect.

Its slightly confusing ill admit, to see the same term used for both. But there is a difference in there.

 

[Charles Castex]

Wait does that just make them similar to Sisters of Silence from 40k?

 

[Imperius Indomitus]

Charles Castex

In a way you can treat them like Blanks from 40k, yes. There is that much lack of definition that they can be similar through the writing, just without the no-soul thing. And one should be careful with an AoE effect, that might be stretching it a bit far.

 

[Charles Castex]

Less writing question, but more a lore style question. If I wanted to think of something that caused AOE anti force... it would be that thing Thrawn carried with him that one time. I forgot what it was... XD

 

[Mak Manto]

Ysalamiri

 

[Sable Varro]

I'm wrestled with this topic for years, and I even write a force dead character to tell you this now. I don't know.

 

[Ukvax the Gilded]

SO!

I can actually explain this as a noted Vong writer.

It's important to note anything force-dead in general tends to be very much focused/fixated around the idea of being unable to personally interact with the force (aka, they do not have a connection to the living energy field that binds all beings). This is why Omni in the vong books is a big deal - he's the only vong to gain force sensitivity via shaping yammosk tissue into his brain. As for how it works with the vong, direct force powers do not work, but stuff like lightning or throwing rocks at them still works. This is because it's not interacting with the vong directly, but generating energy that isn't inherently force-attuned/force-based and/or using the environment.

Also, to explain vongsense, it's not sensing the vong directly. It's sensing the absence of a presence. Like how you view the cut-out of an outline, but can't see the actual cut-out image. basically that.

but yeah, vong are pretty cool and underrated imho, force-dead species can work if people keep in account that they are not just a classic "lol the vong are like flat immune to everything" misconception. There's times where the vong straight up just get merked by force rocky to the face. it's doable.

Also, wounds in the force =/= force dead. It's just being a edgelord who extrudes edge and fucked-up "haha look at me i'm scary". Nihilus a poser fr.

But yeah, this hopefully explains force dead stuff a bit.

 

[Mak Manto]

Back on an old site I used to RP on, there was a tremendous writer by the name of Artemis Obauldi who RPed a Vong. Created some really good stories with his character, including an RP called the Knightfall Alliance, which had him leading several groups all joined together to destroy the Jedi on Naboo.

 

[Sable Varro]

Back on an old site I used to RP on, there was a tremendous writer by the name of Artemis Obauldi who RPed a Vong. Created some really good stories with his character, including an RP called the Knightfall Alliance, which had him leading several groups all joined together to destroy the Jedi on Naboo.

I think I remember this.

 

[Tefka]

1. It sounds cool.

2. Its meant to confuse you into thinking its force immunity.

3. Its one of this community’s oldest gimmicks.

 

[Laphisto]

Iv always viewed force dead as being like a ghost to force sensitives, - in the way I use it anyways - can't be seen or sensed by force sensitives and so unless they are looking at them the moment they turn their gaze away they are don't feel them there if if they know they are standing there they can't be detected moving or other things of the like