We'll See You Now [Mandalorians vs The Primeval] [OOC]

[Boethiah]

[member="Aedan Miles"]

I meant for the Skirmish, so no one else starts asking questions.

 

[Anastasia Rade]

I shall play catch up tomorrow. I have these impromptu out of town work meetings I have to attend... I'll be back

 

[Boethiah]

[member="Anastasia Rade"]

No worries

No one's rushing here, besides some people won't be posting until later this week as well!

Good luck with the meetings.

 

[Naast'ika Laaran]

*continues putt-putt-putting through space*

 

[Naast'ika Laaran]

Naval Action Status Update

[member="Verz Horak"] : 1x Command Ship, 2x Cruiser, 1x Frigate, 3x Frigate
Just outside of standard engagement ranges (I think) taking light fire from extended range weapons. returning fire. (and still advancing slowly?)
[member="Naast'ika Laaran"] : 1x Elite Corvette
Approaching from planet, passive stealth (visible but hard to spot)
[member="Arrbi Betna"] : 1x Elite Starfighter, 12x Elite NPC's
Preparing to Launch
[member="Anija Ordo"] : 1x Elite Starfighter, 12x Elite NPC's
Preparing to Launch
[member="Uriel Manteroni"] : 1x Advanced Starfighter,
Launching
[member="Verd Skirata"] : 1x Advanced Starfighter,
Launching
[member="Jaden Taacyn"] : 1x Bes'uliik War Droid (I think)
Hit by debris? Spinning in space?

 

[Captain Larraq]

[member="Anja Aj'Rou"]

Sorry hun, but unless the sub specifically states that your ships are designed to have a reverse speed, ships in Star Wars can not typically go in reverse. And if they can, it is on maneuvering thrusters only. Meaning... slow as dirt.

If you can find some evidence to the contrary though, I'd love to hear it. As it stands, I'm pretty sure 'Vong Ships and their 360-degree Dovin Basal projections are the only ships that can maneuver whichever direction they like, though at the expense of... not really being able to turn. Like... at all.

 

[Boethiah]

[member="Captain Larraq"]

Before I posted that I already asked a reliable source.

I mean besides the fact that I know very few Scifis where ships could not maneuver fully in three dimensions. Which would be tactically ignorant in a universe where there's been thousands of years of space warfare going on...

I'm aware they would go slower, but not as slowly as you think they would. Regardless this is a universe where physics are at the highest level, have been figured out, and where ion drives are lightning quick rather than slow... Not to mention things like repulsorlift technology which produces blackholes exist in Star Wars. Not saying the ships have them, but to say large warships by standard can't reverse when all that exists? I don't see the argument.

There are many instances where ships do crazy things like grind to a halt with no reverse thrusters, too. The technology is entirely possible in Star Wars and arguably there.

 

[Captain Larraq]

Actually... Let me consult real quick.


[member="Ayden Cater"] If anyone had proof that I'm wrong, it'd be you. Are you aware of any reverse capability in Star Wars ships? Beyond... maneuvering thrusters anyway.


Edit: (Posted this before seeing your post)

[member="Anja Aj'Rou"]

Sorry, I guess I didn't represent myself well. I'm not saying that you -cant- reverse. I'm saying that the speed at which you reverse won't be enough to stay outside the range of Verz's Ash'amur. I was giving you a heads up so you could rethink the strategy if you wanted.

And while I'm aware of repulsorlift technology, I'm fairly sure the remote listening station is far enough away from the planet that repulsors won't be of much use.

Like I said... if you want to reverse... reverse. But the Ash'amur's going to be going faster than you.

 

[Darth Avida]

I'm aware they would go slower, but not as slowly as you think they would. Regardless this is a universe where physics are at the highest level, have been figured out, and where ion drives are lightning quick rather than slow... Not to mention things like repulsorlift technology which produces blackholes exist in Star Wars. Not saying the ships have them, but to say large warships by standard can't reverse when all that exists? I don't see the argument.

Repulsorlift technology does not work in space.

 

[Boethiah]

Not saying the ships have them

[member="Silara Kuhn"]

[member="Captain Larraq"]

Ah, I see. No issues -- we all have bouts of miscommunication.

In that case I was still told it wouldn't be that slow. The only ships I could see being too slow are the Boars since they're already slow but at the current distances I'd say we'd increase the amount of time spent at that range.

I may have worded it poorly but I'm not intending on being able to outrun for the entire duration of the skirmish.

 

[Captain Larraq]

[member="Captain Larraq"]

. Not to mention things like repulsorlift technology which produces blackholes exist in Star Wars.

Also, repulsorlifts do not create black holes. Repulsorlifts (as in "the car engine") are made at giant factories made and parked around a black hole.


'The repulsorlift or repulsorlift engine, often referred to simply as a repulsor, was an anti-gravity technology capable of levitating an object. It was created from subnuclear "knots" of space-time made by enormous unmanned power refineries encompassing black holes"

 

[Boethiah]

[member="Captain Larraq"]

My point was that there's pretty nuts technology in canon and some of it is even utterly ridiculous. That which is theoretically possible, however, still maintains itself in a society where incredible advancements are made and something like three-dimensional ship maneuverability would be entirely possible (and likely) without the need of large reverse thrusters. Albeit not as fast, especially in acceleration, but not terrible slow I'd think.

 

[Captain Larraq]

In that case I was still told it wouldn't be that slow.

If you don't mind me asking, who are you consulting with?

 

[Preliat Mantis]

waits for boarders

 

[Darth Avida]

[member="Anja Aj'Rou"] [member="Captain Larraq"]
Starships engaged in reversing (all sublight engines are capable of reverse, how in the feth I don't know), but historically the speed drops by nearly, if not, half. That drop is rather dramatic.

 

[Captain Larraq]

(all sublight engines are capable of reverse, how in the feth I don't know)

Trust me. I'm right there with you on the "How the Feth" part.

Personally, my history and understanding of starships in space comes from Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, Halo: Fall of Reach, and EVE Online. That... and a little Star Trek, Star Wars, Farscape, and Battlestar Galactica.

Any good scifi that tries to portray space maneuverability appropriately does so as such... Speed means nothing. It is all about acceleration. If you need to slow down or turn around, you stop acceleration, and continue forward at your normal speed. At which point, you use maneuvering thrusters (tiny rockets built into various parts of the ship) to turn the ship around so the back end is pointed where the prow once was. At that point you use your thrusters to slowly counter act all of the forward momentum you've built up.

EDIT:

In most scifi... any direction other than forward is extremely difficult.

In Star Wars... Etheric Rudders help with that. They are a technology that basically allows a starship to BS physics and act like it is in atmosphere by trying to treat dark/strange matter as if it was a gas or liquid.

It's how Naast'ika steers himself and is an important part of Starfighters in Star Wars.

 

[Boethiah]

[member="Captain Larraq"]

I'm totally aware. Now, if my ships were still moving forward the reversing would be well out of the question but they were holding position. If near or exactly half-speed it is I still get the effect I'm looking for: Delay.

By-the-way nice to see another Ender fan...

 

[Darth Avida]

Trust me. I'm right there with you on the "How the Feth" part.

Personally, my history and understanding of starships in space comes from Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, Halo: Fall of Reach, and EVE Online. That... and a little Star Trek, Star Wars, Farscape, and Battlestar Galactica.

Any good scifi that tries to portray space maneuverability appropriately does so as such... Speed means nothing. It is all about acceleration. If you need to slow down or turn around, you stop acceleration, and continue forward at your normal speed. At which point, you use maneuvering thrusters (tiny rockets built into various parts of the ship) to turn the ship around so the back end is pointed where the prow once was. At that point you use your thrusters to slowly counter act all of the forward momentum you've built up.

I more meant the rate of acceleration/deceleration while reversing, not so much actual speed. This was to facilitate the notion that reversing in space is possible (somehow), not exactly explain the best method of doing so practically. Just wanted to clear that up.

 

[Captain Larraq]

By-the-way nice to see another Ender fan...

I was invading Dromund Kaas at around the time Ender's Game (the movie) was coming out. It -really- reflected in my writing at the time. I even had Larraq rotate the holographic display to put the planet 'down' so that (from his perspective) his ships were falling towards Dromund Kaas.

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/18574-we-came-in-like-a-wreeeeecking-baaaallmandalorian-invasion-of-dromund-kaas/?p=228712


You should read the thread sometime. From Larraq's perspective, it is -very- Ender's Game.

 

[Azrael Asura]

I still need to read the book series...
Or just watch the movie for the eighth time and pretend I know the full story.