The Silver Jedi

[Cale Gunderson]

My main is a Silver...but his woman kinda took him along sooooo. I never claimed Marek was perfect.

 

[Balaya Praelior Zambrano]

I never claimed Marek was perfect.

No Rasu is perfect with that green skin and tight body.... shapechangers make everyone self conscious

 

[Judas of Vahl]

Bull. They fight wars left and right, invading planets and overthrowing legitimate government while inflicting massive civilian casualties.

Civilian casualties happen in every war. As for those planet invasions with nefarious intents, links please.

Another bull. They do not care about rightful freedoms of all citizens as those conquered by the Republic are stripped of all rights and treated like dirt. On the other hand, if they see a Sith ruled planet, they do not care if the citizens are treated right or not, they just move in to destroy them without even attempting to negotiate or talk with the opposition.

I'm not sure if you read posts entirely or not, but the Republic citizens are generally treated quite well. If you read Star Wars books and read canon articles, most Jedi have tried to negotiate with Sith. And you know what happens? War breaks out. It's hard for Heroes and Villains to sign a treaty.

And yet another lie. Serve the people of the galaxy? Fight only when necessary? I do not believe the people of Teta wanted to be 'liberated'. What do the Silver Jedi actually do in the thread? Kill everyone in their path, civilians and soldiers alike, and steal valuables.

Historically, Empress Teta is a highly supportive planet to the Republic. The Empress Tetans even fought a war against the Sith in the earlier periods of their history. In the Star Wars galaxy, it's going to take much longer than a few years to fully change the minds of a planet like this. So, in short, they did want to be liberated. As for the Silver Jedi killing civilians and looting, links please.

To sum up my counters to you: Don't try to make them look like the bad guys. We're the bad guys. Of course we think they're bad because they're our enemies. Jedi are good, Sith are evil. Simple and how it should stay. Don't go pulling some "we didn't do anything wrong, they're bad" crap on us. Just makes the Sith in general look bad.

Embrace the darkness and evil. Plot, kill, crush, destroy. It's what we do. Some of you Sith like to bring order to the chaos, then so be it. Just face the fact that we'll always look like bad guys.

 

[Darth Carnifex]

Can't make order without breaking a few eggs.

Even if those broken eggs are innumerable civilian casualties.

 

[Judas of Vahl]

[member="Darth Vornskr"]
I like scrambled eggs.

 

[sabrina]

Leave those eggs alone, mister

 

[Balaya Praelior Zambrano]

Historically, Empress Teta is a highly supportive planet to the Republic. The Empress Tetans even fought a war against the Sith in the earlier periods of their history. In the Star Wars galaxy, it's going to take much longer than a few years to fully change the minds of a planet like this. So, in short, they did want to be liberated.

The canon of the universe has this supported much like Alderaan Empress Teta is one of the first worlds in the Republic. Think 13 original colonies here those worlds are the corner stone to the Republic and all highly loyal.

To sum up my counters to you: Don't try to make them look like the bad guys. We're the bad guys. Of course we think they're bad because they're our enemies. Jedi are good, Sith are evil. Simple and how it should stay. Don't go pulling some "we didn't do anything wrong, they're bad" crap on us. Just makes the Sith in general look bad.

This I am generally in league with we are evil, embrace it we can think we are the good guys and the heroes but we are not. Sith have since the dawn of their society as the purebloods waged war and over taken planets. Survival of the strongest with one ruling as Dark Lord. Tigers don't change their stripes

In short we can muddy the waters try to expose the jedi are beings who want to fight and kill sith but we have tens of thousands of years of atrocities in our name. That isn't going away because we choose to whitewash facts to fit our own perceptions. Embrace being evil, enjoy it

 

[Balaya Praelior Zambrano]

for reference on how best to play to your strengths and be evil use the truth

"I'm not going to tell you we're good, we're evil, cruel and kill millions, I'm not going to tell you we're stronger because you have wiped us out but jedi I can tell you this and it isn't because I like you or want to see you live but because killing you means I wasted potential."

From mine and Naomi's duel with Vulpesen. Use the truth to drive a point, sith kill millions use it, sith conquer planets, use it, the sith use the darkside to bludgeon reality into what they want it to be instead of living with it, use it. Honeyed lies are great at times but half trusts bent to the right level can cut deeper.

and if all goes how it should well then we'll see how deeply the knife can go

 

[sabrina]

I see this way, I am better than my pet cat. So what I am still not going to mistreat it for fun. To me killing millions is against the sith code, as it teaches you that it will cause your ultimate down fall.

 

[Darth Veles]

Well, my Sith isn't evil He doesn't kill civilians, he wants a peaceful galaxy ruled by the Dark Lord. Why exactly should he be a cruel man who tortures and kills innocents? There is absolutely nothing in the Sith ideology that would command him to do that. As I wrote in another thread, being evil is an option, not a requirement.

 

[Balaya Praelior Zambrano]

Killing is what factored into inspiring the sith code when Sorzus Syn created it.

"Syn had been impressed by the lifestyle of the Sith Purebloods, who would take all what they needed, kill the rest and use everything to its fullest."

Sith take the strong, the able the ones who will increase our power and base. The rest are fodder to be disposed of, weaklings, the sick, the inferior.

The sith rely on conflict on battle and war, peace is stagnation. The sith believed conflict helped civilization.

The tuk'ata a key of the sith and old of the oldest known darkside creatures preys and culls the weak on Korriban, because it is a harsh world and so the sith must do the same culling the weak and those who refuse to see the truth of the galaxy.

There are small things, victory through any means is not good, all victories must prove your superiority, prove you are stronger. It is not enough to win you must win by making sure they know the very reason beyond a doubt why they lost.

In following the ideals of the sith, by following the code and reaching that level where you could cast off your restrictions and achieve perfection you became the truest extent of the sith.

As for Veles yeah there is. If they resist being ruled over, if they fight back you kill them, wanting peace is against the sith ideal plainly. Because with the galaxy controlled there will still be fighting it will be between the sith lords to continue to test their strength and guile. To properly grow and become stronger.

 

[sabrina]

sith on sith yes, but not sith verse unworthy beings

 

[Darth Veles]

This is wonderful, but that is just an interpretation of the Sith code from wookieepedia and it comes from a Jedi - turned Sith - turned Jedi. One character interpreted it like this, why should my character see it in the exact same way? He can use his own head and interpret it in his own way.

Sith are meant to progress and grow stronger, so if they constantly keep doing the same thing (being evil stereotypes) and they keep losing, then maybe they could think about what they are doing wrong instead of repeating their mistakes over and over?

 

[Judas of Vahl]

[member="Darth Veles"], [member="sabrina"]
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

 

[Darth Veles]

Yup, that's it. My Sith has his own interpretation and follows it, plus his personal code of honor.

 

[Judas of Vahl]

Well, my Sith isn't evil He doesn't kill civilians, he wants a peaceful galaxy ruled by the Dark Lord.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

 

[sabrina]

Peace is a lie: that`s does not say war. Arguing is not peaceful is it
Their is only passion: Well that could just mean where better in bed than the jedi
Strength: That comes from passion, yes the strength to change some thing you disagree with, in an argument
Power: Through that strength of argument you gain support and more allies.
Victory: Through the power your allies, you gain victory against the person your arguing with
Then your free to do what you want as you won the argument.

Know tell me where it says war, and genocide. That cannot be interpreted another way

 

[Judas of Vahl]

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

Peace results in stagnation, as taught by Yuthura Ban, a canon source. Constant conflict forces you to change, adapt, and progress. War causes these progressive traits to happen.

Through passion, I gain strength.

This line teaches the lust for power and strength. The strong will always prey on the weak and the weak shall either be enslaved, exterminated, or merely disposed of.

Through strength, I gain power.

"Without strife, the victory has no meaning. Without strife, one does not advance. Without strife, there is only stagnation." - Yuthura Ban

Whether you crave for power, strength, or influence, you will always have to fight for it. The Jedi stand in our way, this is why we fight constantly.

Through power, I gain victory.

This is what we want. We want victory. Doesn't matter how it happens. Deceit, brute strength, cunning. Become victorious and free yourselves. This is the Sith way.

Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.

Basically what I said above.

 

[Darth Veles]

There is no emotion, there is peace - this comes from the Jedi. I think it says a Jedi should not give into the emotions, but be at peace at all times. Nothing about war whatsoever.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion - and suddenly you think it says there has to be war. Why? It is a reversed Jedi Code. Peace in this line means inner peace. Sith focus on the growth of an individual, so it says Sith should not deny their passion. Being at peace without passion is unnatural and actually cuts the Sith from their main souce of power - passion.

 

[sabrina]

Peace is a lie, there is only passion




"Conflict forces one to better oneself. It forces change, growth, adaption, evolution… or death."


Definition of conflict (n)
Bing Dictionary

• con·flict

1. war: warfare between opposing forces, especially a prolonged and bitter but sporadic struggle
2. difference: a disagreement or clash between ideas, principles, or people
3. mental struggle: a psychological state resulting from the often unconscious opposition between simultaneous but incompatible desires, needs, drives, or impulses