Standardization of starship judging.

[ADM. Reshmar]

[member="Spencer Jacobs"] [member="Netherworld"] [member="Raziel"] [member="Cira"] [member="Ordo"] @Rusty @Bianca @Darth Vulkan

So as per our skype chat and because of recent submissions I would like to look into getting all the judges on the same page as far as judging starships.

These are just some ideas I have from observation of how my ships and others were judged and how I have judged ships.

First this is not a guide or an attempt to create one or any formal presentation to the forum. Just some ideas I have for helping us all judge and be somewhat standard in doing so.

First is Stick to the current 3.0 template. It is in place and anything we decide or not decide should stick to it.

Template sub division.
I think for judging sake we think of each template class in a divided light and heavy class of each. This would limit the lower half of the class size from having guns equal to the higher size. And do away with the old Cap/Warhead/Defense system for 1 numerical rating. for instance. A corvette under 100 meters would have a rating of 16. This allows people to put any mix of weapons they wish as long as they do not exceed the 16. we just look at the weapons and use the following

Capital guns = 1
Light Warhead Launchers = 1
Heavy warhead Launchers = 4
Defense guns = .5

Modifiers
Heavy = 2x
Repating and Fast Mounting = 2x
Light = .5x
Long Range = 5x
Double = 2x
Triple = 3x
Quad = 4x

This also makes a few canon ships which were broken per the 2.0 guide now possible such as the Marauder and DP20. just for corvettes. The Strike Cruiser for cruisers was broken per 2.0, but with a one number system is is possible.

I would also like to change batteries to 5 weapons as they are in layed out on cal cruisers and Star Destroyers. but thats just me. It gives a difference in quad and battery which I like, but I see where it would rock alot of boats. It would have to be a "from this point on" and not count towards grandfathered ships.

A single number as a rough guide for how many guns can be placed on a ship. where each Template class is divided into 2 or more sub sizes

Corvette
below 100 meters = 16 guns / No squdron
below 200 meters = 30 guns / 1 squadron

Frigate
below 350 = 50 guns / 1 squadron
below 500 = 100 guns / 2 squadrons

Cruiser
below 700 meters = 150 guns / 2 squadrons
below 1000 meters = 300 guns / 3 squadrons

Since destroyers and dedicated carriers have a much wider size range we can divide them into 3 to 4 sub catigories for judgement sake.

Destroyer
below 1500 = 600 guns / 3 squadrons
below 2000 = 850 guns / 6 squadrons
below 3000 = 1100 guns / 9 squadrons

I would also like to add pocket carriers. Alot of people want them and like to use them. I get more complaints about carriers than anything.

Dedicated Carrier
500 to 749 = 40 guns / 3 squadrons
750 to 999 = 100 guns / 6 squadrons
1,000 to 1,999 = 300 guns / 9 squadrons
2,000 to 3,000 = 500 guns / 12 squadrons

This gives people the carriers they want and stops them from bitching about not being able to build a Venator. They can now and give it 9 squadrons. This does give the option of ships over 2km carriers having more than 10 but limits destroyers over 2 km to 9

 

[Raziel]

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/55701-raziels-starship-templates/

I still think that could be tweaked as an internal reference sheet.

 

[Raziel]

[SIZE=18pt]Starfighter[/SIZE]
Link: http://starwars.wiki...iki/Starfighter
Variants: Bombers, Scouts, Atmospheric Fighters, Gunship, Dropship, Interceptor
Average Length: 1 - 50 Meters.

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Affiliation: (Example: The TIE (Twin Ion Engine) Starfighter was primarily created for the Galactic Empire. Do not put the company unless the product is only for your company's use. Common choices include 'Open Market', Personal, or the name of a specific Faction/Major Faction.)
Manufacturer: (Kuat Drive Yards, BlasTech Industries, [Insert Major Faction Name], [Insert Character Name], etc.)
Model: (Example: TIE (Twin Ion Engine). For submissions where a model wouldn't be appropriate, such as a custom walking stick, put 'N/A' for 'Not Applicable'.)
Modularity: (Can you add components to this submission? If so, link to all Approved Factory Submissions applicable. For most submissions, put 'No'.)
Production: (The scale is Unique (Only One Character), Semi-Unique (Only A Handful of Characters), Limited (Only A Select Group Of NPCs/PCs), Minor (Any Character, Only Select Groups Of NPCs), Mass-Produced. (Anyone.))
Material: (What is your submission made out of? Certain materials are more resistant, or vulnerable, to certain weapons. Example: 'Durasteel.' Link: Manufacturing Compounds, Metals, Compounds)
Classification: (Starfighter, Bomber, Scout, Atmospheric Fighter, Atmospheric Bomber, Atmospheric Scout, Gunship, Dropship, Interceptor.)
Length: (Via Metric System. Max: 50 meters. Examples: X-wing: 12.5 meters, Y-wing: 16 meters, Millenium Falcon: 34.7 meters, Slave I: 21.5 meters)
Height: (Via Metric System. Max: 50 meters. Examples: Y-wing: 7.9 meters, Millenium Falcon: 8.27 meters, Slave I: 7.8 meters)
Width: (Via Metric System. Max: 50 meters. Examples: Y-wing: 2.9 meters, Millenium Falcon: 25.61 meters, Slave I: 21.3 meters)

Armament: (You may provide your armament in list format and/or provide your vessel an Armament Rating on a scale of 0-20, where 0 is no weapons, 1 is very light weapons, 5 is light weapons/light defense, 10 is medium weapons/medium defense, and 20 is heaviest weapons/heaviest defense. Armament Ratings are scaled in relation to the type of ship, meaning a Starfighter will not equate to a Destroyer. Armament Ratings provide only basic weaponry and cannot be written as anything other than it, unless the ship also has special weapons. Please link to all Factory Submissions used. Links: Armament Rating, Starship Weapons, Approved Technology, Standardized Load Outs) Anything above 16 typically requires development.

Squadron Count: (Optional. Please provide the amount of fighters this submission would have in a squadron. If it is unique, remove this portion from the template. The average squadron for any starfighter is 12, at lengths averaging 12.5 meters. The bigger the fighter, the smaller your Squadron Count should be. The smaller the fighter, the bigger your Squadron count can be.)

Special Features: (Provide all of your submission's special features, including non-combat items and special weapons, here in a list. Please link to all Factory Submissions used. Links: Starship Weapons, Approved Technology, Shields, Engines)

Maneuverability Rating: (The lower the number, the more agile the ship. How agile is your ship? Can it take tight turns? Please provide your vessel a Maneuverability Rating on a scale 0-20, with 0 being infinite agility, 1 being crazy agile like a TIE Interceptor, and 20 being slower to turn than a bantha.) Anything below 1.0 typically requires development.
Speed Rating: (The lower the number, the faster the ship. How fast is your ship in normal space? How fast can it take off, how fast can it speed through a planet's atmosphere? Please provide your vessel a Speed Rating on a scale 0-20, with 0 being infinite speed, 1 being crazy fast like the Millenium Falcon and 20 being slower than the Dewback.) Anything below 1.0 typically requires development.
Hyperdrive Class: (The lower the number, the faster the ship. You may use decimals. (Minimum: .5 | Max: 10.) Average Corvette Hyperdrive Class: 2 ) Links: Hyperdrive, Hyperdrive Comparisons) Anything below 1.0 typically requires development.

Strengths: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 strength of this submission.)
Weaknesses: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 weaknesses of this submission.)

Description: (Describing your submission's history is optional. Please provide a detailed account or link of each special feature that is listed in this submission. All miscellaneous descriptive elements go here, such as Cargo Capacity, Passengers, Consumables, Crew, etc.. There is no requirement for amount of words here so long as you meet the minimum requirements for your special features.)
Development Thread: (Restricted Items require specific development threads. The more posts, the more powerful the submission can be. Links: Banned & Restricted Items)
Intent: (Please describe your reason for submitting this. It may be simple or complicated. The Factory Judge will take this into consideration.)
Who Can Use This: (Optional. If you chose Limited, Semi-Unique, or Unique in Productivity above please list what groups/characters can use this submission in role-plays.)
Primary Source:[SIZE=9pt] (Please link the source of another writer's submission that you are modifying for your use; only necessary for "Chaos Canon" submissions) [/SIZE]

Example Ships:
Fighter:
Examples: X-Wing

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Affiliation:
Manufacturer:
Model:
Modularity:
Production: Mass-Produced
Material: Durasteel hull
Classification: Fighter
Length: 12m
Height: 2m
Width: 3m
Armament:
4 Laser Cannons
2 Proton torpedo launchers (4 each)
and/or
Armament Rating: 10
Squadron Count: 12
Special Features:
Manoeuvrability Rating: 3
Speed Rating: 3
Hyperdrive Class: 1
Strengths: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 strength of this submission.)
Weaknesses: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 weaknesses of this submission.)
Description:
Development Thread: No
Intent:
Who Can Use This: Anyone
Primary Source:

Bomber:
Examples: TIE Bomber

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Affiliation:
Manufacturer:
Model:
Modularity:
Production: Mass-Produced
Material: Durasteel hull
Classification: Bomber
Length: 12m
Height: 3m
Width: 4m
Armament:
2 Laser Cannons
3 Proton torpedo launchers (8 each)
and/or
Armament Rating: 12
Squadron Count: 12
Special Features:
Manoeuvrability Rating: 4
Speed Rating: 4
Hyperdrive Class: 1
Strengths: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 strength of this submission.)
Weaknesses: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 weaknesses of this submission.)
Description:
Development Thread: No
Intent:
Who Can Use This: Anyone
Primary Source:

Interceptor:
Examples: A-Wing

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Affiliation:
Manufacturer:
Model:
Modularity:
Production: Mass-Produced
Material: Durasteel hull
Classification: Interceptor
Length: 12m
Height: 3m
Width: 4m
Armament:
2 Laser Cannons
2 Concussion missile launchers (2 each)
and/or
Armament Rating: 5
Squadron Count: 12
Special Features:
Manoeuvrability Rating: 2
Speed Rating: 2
Hyperdrive Class: 1
Strengths: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 strength of this submission.)
Weaknesses: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 weaknesses of this submission.)
Description:
Development Thread: No
Intent:
Who Can Use This: Anyone
Primary Source:

Gunship:
Examples: Skipray Blastboat

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Affiliation:
Manufacturer:
Model:
Modularity:
Production: Mass-Produced
Material: Durasteel hull
Classification: Gunship
Length: 12m
Height: 3m
Width: 4m
Armament:
4 Laser Cannons
Twin Laser Cannon Turret
6 Proton Torpedo launchers (4 each)
and/or
Armament Rating: 16
Squadron Count: 6
Special Features:
Manoeuvrability Rating: 5
Speed Rating: 5
Hyperdrive Class: 1
Strengths: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 strength of this submission.)
Weaknesses: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 weaknesses of this submission.)
Description:
Development Thread: No
Intent:
Who Can Use This: Anyone
Primary Source:

[SIZE=18pt]Corvette[/SIZE]
Link: http://starwars.wiki...m/wiki/Corvette
Variants: Personal Transport, Envoy, Scout, Assault, Freighter, Patrol Ship, Dropship
Average Length: 50-200 Meters.

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Affiliation: (Example: The TIE (Twin Ion Engine) Starfighter was primarily created for the Galactic Empire. Do not put the company unless the product is only for your company's use. Common choices include 'Open Market', Personal, or the name of a specific Faction/Major Faction.)
Manufacturer: (Kuat Drive Yards, BlasTech Industries, [Insert Major Faction Name], [Insert Character Name], etc.)
Model: (Example: TIE (Twin Ion Engine). For submissions where a model wouldn't be appropriate, such as a custom walking stick, put 'N/A' for 'Not Applicable'.)
Modularity: (Can you add components to this submission? If so, link to all Approved Factory Submissions applicable. For most submissions, put 'No'.)
Production: (The scale is Unique (Only One Character), Semi-Unique (Only A Handful of Characters), Limited (Only A Select Group Of NPCs/PCs), Minor (Any Character, Only Select Groups Of NPCs), Mass-Produced. (Anyone.))
Material: (What is your submission made out of? Certain materials are more resistant, or vulnerable, to certain weapons. Example: 'Durasteel.' Link: Manufacturing Compounds, Metals, Compounds)
Classification: (Corvette, Personal Transport, Envoy, Scout, Assault, Freighter, Patrol Ship, Dropship)

Length: (Via Metric System. Max: 200 meters. Examples: Defender Class Light Corvette: 94 meters, CR92a Assassin-Class Corvette: 139.25 Meters, Marauder Class Corvette: 195 meters)

Width: (Via Metric System. Max: 200 meters. Examples: Defender Class Light Corvette: 34.7 meters, CR92a Assassin-Class Corvette: 58.95 Meters, Marauder Class Corvette: 131 meters)

Height: (Via Metric System. Max: 200 meters. Examples: Defender Class Light Corvette: 29 meters, CR92a Assassin-Class Corvette: 16.97 Meters, Marauder Class Corvette: 22 meters)

Armament: (You may provide your armament in list format but must provide your vessel an Armament Rating on a scale of 0-20, where 0 is no weapons, 1 is very light weapons, 5 is light weapons/light defense, 10 is medium weapons/medium defense, and 20 is heaviest weapons/heaviest defense. Armament Ratings are scaled in relation to the type of ship, meaning a Starfighter will not equate to a Destroyer. Armament Ratings provide only basic weaponry and cannot be written as anything other than it, unless the ship also has special weapons. Links: Armament Rating, Starship Weapons, Approved Technology, Standardized Load Outs) Anything above 16 typically requires development.

Hangar: (Please provide the amount of fighters this submission can hold in it's hangar by count of Squadrons, which hold 12 average Starfighters. The higher your squadron count, the lower your Armament and number of Special Features should be. This submission's Max Squadron Count: 1. Optionally, Feel free to provide a list of names for your squadrons, like the notorious Red Squadron. Alternatively, you may swap squadrons for Vehicles or other items of note.) Anything above 1 typically requires development.

Special Features: (Provide all of your submission's special features, including non-combat items and special weapons, here in a list. Please link to all Factory Submissions used. Links: Starship Weapons, Approved Technology, Shields, Engines) Many advanced features like cloaking typically require development.

Maneuverability Rating: (The lower the number, the more agile the ship. How agile is your ship? Can it take tight turns? Please provide your vessel a Maneuverability Rating on a scale 0-20, with 0 being infinite agility, 1 being crazy agile like a TIE Interceptor, and 20 being slower to turn than a bantha.) Anything below 5 for 50m or 7 for 200m typically requires development..
Speed Rating: (The lower the number, the faster the ship. How fast is your ship in normal space? How fast can it take off, how fast can it speed through a planet's atmosphere? Please provide your vessel a Speed Rating on a scale 0-20, with 0 being infinite speed, 1 being crazy fast like the Millenium Falcon and 20 being slower than the Dewback.) Anything below 5 for 50m or 7 for 200m typically requires development.
Hyperdrive Class: (The lower the number, the faster the ship. You may use decimals. (Minimum: .5 | Max: 10.) Average Corvette Hyperdrive Class: 2 ) Links: Hyperdrive, Hyperdrive Comparisons) Anything below 1.0 typically requires development.

Strengths: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 strength of this submission.)
Weaknesses: (Provide, in list format, a minimum of 1 weaknesses of this submission.)

Description: (Describing your submission's history is optional. Please provide a detailed account or link of each special feature that is listed in this submission. All miscellaneous descriptive elements go here, such as Cargo Capacity, Passengers, Consumables, Crew, etc.. There is no requirement for amount of words here so long as you meet the minimum requirements for your special features.)
Development Thread: (Restricted Items require specific development threads. The more posts, the more powerful the submission can be. Links: Banned & Restricted Items)
Intent: (Please describe your reason for submitting this. It may be simple or complicated. The Factory Judge will take this into consideration.)
Who Can Use This: (Optional. If you chose Limited, Semi-Unique, or Unique in Productivity above please list what groups/characters can use this submission in role-plays.)
Primary Source:[SIZE=9pt] (Please link the source of another writer's submission that you are modifying for your use; only necessary for "Chaos Canon" submissions) [/SIZE]
Heavy Corvette
Examples:

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Manufacturer:
Model:
Modularity: No
Production: Mass-Produced
Material: Durasteel hull
Classification: Heavy Corvette
Length: 200m
Height: 40m
Width: 70m
Armament:
12 Turbolasers
6 Warhead Launchers
4 Quad lasers
and/or
Armament Rating: 16
Hangar:
Special Features:
Manoeuvrability Rating: 9
Speed Rating: 9
Hyperdrive Class: 1
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Description:
Development Thread: No
Intent:
Who Can Use This: Anyone
Primary Source:

Corvette Carrier
Examples:

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Affiliation:
Manufacturer:
Model:
Modularity: No
Production: Mass-Produced
Material: Durasteel hull
Classification: Corvette Carrier
Length: 200m
Height: 40m
Width: 70m
Armament:
4 Turbolasers
0 Warhead Launchers
20 Quad lasers
and/or
Armament Rating: 4
Hangar:
Special Features:
Manoeuvrability Rating: 8
Speed Rating: 9
Hyperdrive Class: 1
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Description:
Development Thread: No
Intent:
Who Can Use This: Anyone
Primary Source:

Picket Corvette
Examples:

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Affiliation:
Manufacturer:
Model:
Modularity: No
Production: Mass-Produced
Material: Durasteel hull
Classification: Picket Corvette
Length: 80m
Height: 20m
Width: 30m
Armament:
4 Turbolasers
3 Warhead Launchers
16 Quad lasers
and/or
Armament Rating: 6
Hangar:
Special Features:
Manoeuvrability Rating: 7
Speed Rating: 7
Hyperdrive Class: 1
Strengths:
Weaknesses:
Description:
Development Thread: No
Intent:
Who Can Use This: Anyone
Primary Source:

 

[Raziel]

Here is what I've done with the above:

• For each rating within the class template I've added specifics on where development would be required.
• I've made the armament rating mandatory
• I've added several example templates at the end of each section

Advantages:
People have clear examples of ship values that are acceptable (at least three ships per class)
Factory judges can use these as a basline for judging
Writers are given clear guidelines on where development would be required
All information still in one easily accessible template

 

[Raziel]

To be clear the numbers might be off and the formatting is ballsed.

All I've done is added the (Above/below XX typically requires development) lines and the example ships beneath the two classes.

[member="Reshmar"] [member="Spencer Jacobs"]

 

[ADM. Reshmar]

[member="Raziel"]

10 is medium weapons/medium defense,

I still would like this to read Average not medium.

Maneuverability Rating: (The lower the number, the more agile the ship. How agile is your ship? Can it take tight turns? Please provide your vessel a Maneuverability Rating on a scale 0-20, with 0 being infinite agility, 1 being crazy agile like a TIE Interceptor, and 20 being slower to turn than a bantha.) Anything below 1.0 typically requires development. Speed Rating: (The lower the number, the faster the ship. How fast is your ship in normal space? How fast can it take off, how fast can it speed through a planet's atmosphere? Please provide your vessel a Speed Rating on a scale 0-20, with 0 being infinite speed, 1 being crazy fast like the Millenium Falcon and 20 being slower than the Dewback.) Anything below 1.0 typically requires development. Hyperdrive Class: (The lower the number, the faster the ship. You may use decimals. (Minimum: .5 | Max: 10.) Average Corvette Hyperdrive Class: 2 ) Links: Hyperdrive, Hyperdrive Comparisons) Anything below 1.0 typically requires development.

I still think setting an average within the speed and maneuvering is best. Adding "10 being average" to the template speed would give people a place to start from. they want faster they slide down. they want slower they slide up from 10.

 

[ADM. Reshmar]

but I do like the changes you have made.

 

[Raziel]

[member="Reshmar"]

10 is not an average rating for ship speed.

I don't understand how changing for average to medium adds anything when examples are clearly given to show what the different ratings mean.

 

[ADM. Reshmar]

[member="Raziel"]

if we are going to use a 1 to 20 scale for speed and maneuvering inside the template then what will be an average speed? From what I got from the conversation yesterday is that every class now has a rating from 1 to 20 just like the armaments are. Bypassing your old scale chart for a rating per template class. So every ship will have a rating from one to 20 per template class now. Making frigates slower than cruisers by default. IF were doing this that way I think a medium point for average speed is needed.

 

[Raziel]

[member="Reshmar"]

Oh I apologise. I missed that message. Where's that written down?

 

[ADM. Reshmar]

It was in skype.

 

[Allyson Locke]

[member="Raziel"] [member="Reshmar"]

I'm absolutely loving the templates Rhys. If you could give me the edits in all the templates I can toss it up to admins and get it voted up. We need to make it so people know what they're getting into and avoid any stress on you guys. I think this is where we've been lacking, we have a handle on tech, vehicles and companies. Just starships have been so free flow.

 

[Raziel]

[member="Spencer Jacobs"] you'll have to give me a week or so to finish off!

 

[Allyson Locke]

[member="Raziel"] Of course you got till the end of the monthishness?

 

[ADM. Reshmar]

[member="Raziel"] here are some ships to fit into your templates.

ships for rhys system

Heavy Frigate
Strike Class Medium Cruiser http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Strike-class_medium_cruiser
Carrier Frigate
Gladiator Class Star Destroyer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gladiator-class_Star_Destroyer
Tin0Falk-class Carrier http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ton-Falk-class_escort_carrier
Escort Frigate
Nebulon B http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/EF76_Nebulon-B_escort_frigate/Legends
Heavy Cruiser
Victory Mk I-class Star Destroyer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Victory_I-class_Star_Destroyer
Carrier Cruiser
Bothan Assault Cruiser http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan_Assault_Cruiser
Escort Cruiser
Vindicator -class Heavy Cruiser http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vindicator-class_heavy_cruiser
Heavy Destroyer
Pellaeon-class star destroyer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pellaeon-class_Star_Destroyer 610 guns/5 squadrons
imperial Mk II-class Star Destroyer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_II-class_Star_Destroyer/Legends
730 guns/9 squadrons
Carrier
Venator-class star destroyer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer/Legends 68 guns/ 36 squadrons
Endurance-class Fleet Carrier http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endurance-class_fleet_carrier 30 guns/12 squadrons
Patrol Destroyer
Nebula-class Star Destroyer - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nebula-class_Star_Destroyer 372 guns/6 squadrons
Republic-class Star Destroyer - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Republic-class_Star_Destroyer 500 guns/3 squadrons
Battlecruiser
Allgeance http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Allegiance-class_battlecruiser
Heavy Carrier
Secutor-class Star Destroyer http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Secutor-class_Star_Destroyer/Legends 368 guns/12 squadrons
Heavy Battlecruiser
Bulwark MK III http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bulwark_Mark_III1,900 guns/10 squadrons

I know some of these do not fit your templates but I think overall most of them need more fighters and well the guns on the bulwark are OP

 

[Ellie Mors]

From what I got from the conversation yesterday is that every class now has a rating from 1 to 20 just like the armaments are. Bypassing your old scale chart for a rating per template class. So every ship will have a rating from one to 20 per template class now. Making frigates slower than cruisers by default. IF were doing this that way I think a medium point for average speed is needed.

This has been answered/corrected in this thread, as it was a misunderstanding.

Summary:
Starships still run on the same 1-20 scale, with 1 being incredibly fast and 20 being incredibly slow, 10 is still the medium speed, not average. Misunderstanding was made when Spencer notified the factory that the 3.0 speed chart was placed in the starship template to replace the 1.0 chart that (for some reason) had still been listed, and then summarized the difference between the two. Starfighters, for example, will still normally be around 2-4 speed/man, and so on. The misunderstanding was due to Spencer explaining that a starfighter with the same speed as a frigate would still be faster.