*Facepalm* seriously Dranok we've talked enough that you should know I'm smarter than that. I read that portion, but what I meant are the extenuating circumstances, such as those who've made it from apprentice to kniight of their own merit or similar. Can a fellow knight seek nominations? For example, the reason I ask was because a while ago I wished I could nominate @[member="Eldoc Quasat"] (Zaidens master), whom I don't know if he even had a master but I felt was accomplished enough to be brought up. But not knowing if this was acceptable I remained quiet. I know other Master ranked people can nominate, but I meant can Knights do the same?