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Padawan Discussion, Cont'd

[member="Teynara Jeralyr"] Not everyone who wants to rush the padawan process is a bad writer; surely you can understand that. From my experience, the best writers that actually engage in such rushing are mostly writers that write about Padawans who already had a lot of IC responsibilities and lived out much of their lives with latent Force-sensitivity before actually discovering it.

Master-less Padawans often have to mature faster on the field and be more resourceful to make it. Obviously it has some downsides: their skills may be a little rough along the edges. Some writers rush the process because they were unable to find masters for their Padawan characters.
 
[member="Teynara Jeralyr"]

I don't think that everybody who rushes trought their Padawan phase is a bad writer, they might not just want to write Padawans, and develop more their chars as they arrive at Knighthood and get a more mature learning.

[member="Jessica Med-Beq"]

420 blaze it.
 
I understand wanting to rush through the Paddy days to get that power boost, but imo it really helps flesh characters out more and allows you to get a feel for their learning style and maybe where you want to take them. Believe it or not, Joza was actually a good student.

What I'm saying is, ya gotta risk it to get the biscuit. I think. I still have a fever.


[member="Jessica Med-Beq"]

Thanks for the offer! I'm a bit busy now, but I might hit you up for something later if you're game :)
 
[member="Undin Jaii Kryze"] That usually stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of what a Padawan is. It's often presupposed that a Padawan will be younger, know less and be less capable than a Knight or Master, which is true on some levels, but often not in others. Raw strength can be rather considerable as a student (and, indeed, too many write themselves that way), but the areas lacking in tend to be those revolving around understanding of the Jedi path and in the nature of one's abilities: Padawans have had less practice, therefore their skills might be powerful but ultimately undisciplined.

That noted, there's a distinct difference between a Padawan and a Knight on an IC level, beyond simply skills and abilities: the key lies in their responsibilities. A Padawan's responsibility is to act as instructed, to learn from any who would teach them (their Master or any other Jedi of rank), to develop themselves as a person and as a Jedi, and most importantly, to build relationships and field experience, such that might be an asset to them when they are granted later responsibility.

If you're rushing the process because you want to be a powerful Knight/Master, or because you feel that being a Padawan is too limiting, you've missed the point of the process. It gives you time to improve your writing such that you can stand with most of the Knights and Masters on the board, many (but not all) of whom have developed some superb writing skills. Furthermore, on an IC level, you're looking at developing your character through RP, and not just because your profile says you're capable at x, y and z. You build relationships with other characters, forge your own in ways you might not have expected (unless you're one of those daft writers who has their entire roadmap planned out from the very beginning), and you find yourself building a character history that is far less boring than the ones we often have to write at the outset.

I got promoted to Knight by the admins a few years back, as part of the monthly promotion thingy, back when we put together the precursor to the Levantine Sanctum and SSC. And you know what? I turned it down. My character hadn't done enough, learned enough, spent as much time developing and growing, becoming a personality above and beyond whatever it was I wrote in my original profile.

If you're going to rush, go right ahead, but realistically, you'll be skipping out on some of the best experiences you'll have as a writer. Past that, you'll be expected to fight every battle, train Padawans and teach classes, perhaps even work on creating content for the entire Faction. Maybe that's what you want, but a lot of that will detract from your own character's development. I'd very much encourage you not to rush into it just because you want to beat up a Sith Lord or two. It's not worth it in the slightest.
 
[member="Teynara Jeralyr"] The trick is that Jessica is ICly used to the pressures of knighthood - but that's a function of me being a Techno Empire FA, in which case I'm expected to contribute alts to every TE faction event, as well as Jessica being ICly on the board of a tier-4 corporation, and that was her NFU, pre-Omega self.

Her post-Omega FU self would likely want to teach classes and is a proponent of peer learning even in her Padawan state. To her knighthood is not as big an IC deal as it would be to most Padawans, due to having had a lot of responsibilities before she even undertook Padawan training in the first place. I believe characters for whom it makes the most sense to rush is those who spent a good portion of their IC lives in some rather high-powered or high-responsibility career and discovered their Force-sensitivity later in life: part of the benefits of extended Padawan-hood would already have been reaped the longer their pre-Padawan RP careers were.

I'm one of those corporate players who try to incorporate personal development alongside corporate development. Even so my SJ thread tracker has a section specifically devoted to corporate development.
 
[member="Jessica Med-Beq"] The 'pressures of Knighthood' aren't the same as actual Knighthood. Your character has no understanding of the Jedi way, no training in our methodology or techniques, and zero training in Jedi psychological disciplines. She is not invested with a Jedi's moral attitude, nor does she understand how to apply herself as a Jedi.

Your previous career means absolutely nothing in this regard. Every Padawan starts out as a complete novice, and so they should, for they've been inducted into a world that they don't understand, and that will take a good deal of time, effort, training and discipline to succeed in.

So, no, you've not already 'reaped the benefits'. You're barely starting out, and that's how you should see it. What you did as an NFU has no bearing on your status or progress as a Jedi. In that regard, you've still got a long way to go.
 
[member="Teynara Jeralyr"]

I should rephrase myself, I meant "mature", as in having more understanding of what you're learning, as let's be honest, if you're a Padawan, most times you'll (or should) be amazed by what your Master teaches you, and you'll be thinking of the possibilities, instead of actual trying to do it. As a Knight, you'd have probably heard of the techniques as a Padawan, and actually focus more on learning.

Also, that is quite the explanation, and, no I'm not wanting to rush trought my Padawan phase, so don't you worry. I feel like Undin needs atleast more 500 posts, to get even enough development to reach to deserve Knight.
 
My character is clueless as a Jedi, after all.

That, despite one of the other writers suspecting OOCly that she knew too much about the Force not to be a Force-sensitive, even though what that partcular writer characterized as "her knowledge of the Force" mostly pertain to how a given power acts on the power's target: she said ICly on multiple occasions, both as a NFU and as a FU, that many FUs did not seem to know how a given power worked on its target, and yet used said power on a regular basis. Even if what she knew about the Force proved correct, this is still a very fragmentary knowledge of the Force, let alone of Jedi lifestyle, at best.

Just that a character that had a rather extensive pre-Padawan RP career would usually have a clearer idea of what that character will end up becoming once a Jedi. In that case they would have more life experience to draw upon to make such a choice.

Godawans are most likely to be one of the following, or a combination thereof:
  1. Belonging to bad writers
  2. Padawans on the cusp of knighthood with extended padawan periods
  3. Padawans who developed an elite-level skill before undertaking Force-training
 
In the case of Dune Rhur, I took an extended Knighthood. It only made sense given that he spent a lot of that period travelling and exploring ruins and seeing the galaxy. This runs in line with the idea of fleshing him out. As a Padawan, he was very formal and 'stiff' but learned to relax.

His 'power level' has always been over 9000 but he's refined it. New skills and more experience help. Dune also knows now that not every situation requires the hammer. Sometimes you need a paintbrush or a trowel. It also helps that he doesn't reach for his lightsaber at every chance.

I'm also trying to not be so married to alignments. He was kind of more Lawful Good as a Padawan, drifting to Neutral Good as a Knight and now he's that with a splash of Chaotic Good. I see a lot of writers who allow alignments dictate to them exactly what they write.

But there are way too many Neutral and Chaotic Evil writers, I think. Basically Neutral is screw people over for you own gain whenever possible. Chaotic is mental illness territory. How can you possibly form a coalition when everybody is batshit nuts and/or stabbing each other in the back?

Anyway.
 

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