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NFU Ranks Suggestion
- Thread starter Darth Imperatus
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Darth Imperatus
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I disagree that any NFUs should report to the Dark Lord. People don't see the Dark Lord not because of some stupid ancient scriptures, but so he can survive. He contacts only those he trusts--the Voices--most of the time without them having to see him at all. And, as others have pointed out, as far as the canon goes, NFUs are considered to be beneath the Sith. The Voices rule in the place of the Dark Lord in their respective sectors, with him giving them direct orders without having to place himself in harm's way; their existence is a matter of security for him; better they get assassinated than he. It is logical, therefore, that any authorities, Sith or Moffs, should report to them.
Also important to remember.
Voices aren't all FU. They can be NFU too.
Voices aren't all FU. They can be NFU too.
Ludolf Vaas
"Trust me"
If Voices can be non-Force Users, then why can't the Emperor simply contact the Grand Moff directly through telepathy? Why the need for the middle-man?
Honestly, if we want to keep this Voice business, it should be limited to just Sith. As far as I know, [member="Avadreia Lacroix"] is the only NFU voice. Perhaps she would like to be our Grand Moff instead.
We can still keep the whole "Sith superiority" business. Because think about it. There are what... four of five voices? And only one Grand Moff. So out of the handful of people who are lofty enough to comunicate directly with the Emperor, only one is a non-Sith.
The Sith still have the majority of privilege.
And the Grand Moff doesn't need to go through a middleman.
Problem solved.
Think about it. The Emperor would probably want at least one non-Sith to communicate directly with. It provides a good balance for his government. Sith are naturally not to be trusted. He's going to want at least one person he knows he can rely on, who he doesn't have to worry about plotting to usurp his power. That person is the Grand Moff, who oversees the governmental minutiae in OS territory.
Honestly, if we want to keep this Voice business, it should be limited to just Sith. As far as I know, [member="Avadreia Lacroix"] is the only NFU voice. Perhaps she would like to be our Grand Moff instead.
We can still keep the whole "Sith superiority" business. Because think about it. There are what... four of five voices? And only one Grand Moff. So out of the handful of people who are lofty enough to comunicate directly with the Emperor, only one is a non-Sith.
The Sith still have the majority of privilege.
And the Grand Moff doesn't need to go through a middleman.
Problem solved.
Think about it. The Emperor would probably want at least one non-Sith to communicate directly with. It provides a good balance for his government. Sith are naturally not to be trusted. He's going to want at least one person he knows he can rely on, who he doesn't have to worry about plotting to usurp his power. That person is the Grand Moff, who oversees the governmental minutiae in OS territory.
skin, bone, and arrogance
Oh, good. It's this thread. Again.
Darth Imperatus
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[member="Ludolf Vaas"]
Is it possible to telepathically communicate with an NFU?
Is it possible to telepathically communicate with an NFU?
Ire'Rain Sekairo
Look To Your Demons
Yes.Melakoth Tyrin said:
Darth Imperatus
Character
[member="Ludolf Vaas"]
Very well then. So, there are two routes we could take: a) the Moffs report to the Voices with the Grand Moffs being the right hand of their Voice, or b) the Moffs operate independently from the Sith, there is only one Grand Moff who reports directly to the Emperor. Ludolf, I know your position on this, what's everyone else's opinion?
Very well then. So, there are two routes we could take: a) the Moffs report to the Voices with the Grand Moffs being the right hand of their Voice, or b) the Moffs operate independently from the Sith, there is only one Grand Moff who reports directly to the Emperor. Ludolf, I know your position on this, what's everyone else's opinion?
Ludolf Vaas
"Trust me"
To make my idea clear: the Moffs convene at the Moff Council, which is overseen by the Grand Moff, who reports directly to the Emperor.
Darth Imperatus
Character
Considering there is only one Moff council and One Grand moff in this idea and the sectors have no relevance, we might want to make the Sub-sectors larger.
V A N I T A S
You are correct.Vrag said:
V A N I T A S
And I would be perfectly fine with there being a grand moff or two that report to the Dark Lord - that doesn't bother me at all. Having every single NFU become a moff and get to play with the DL while I get stuck sitting outside all the time does not fly with me, however.
skin, bone, and arrogance
Having a Grand Moff that reports directly to the Emperor and bypasses the Voices is idiotic and in my opinion disrespectful of the work that the creators and administrators of the faction have done in setting up the faction's unique structure and lore. I'm saying this on a purely OOC level - I don't have a dog in this fight because frankly I don't care if new ranks are added or not. I'm just saying that it's dirty pool.
In short, I'm going to have to say no thanks to that proposal.
If we ARE going to do create a system of ranks to cater to the NFUs, let's not make it excessively complicated. First, let's talk about people who are actually interested. It doesn't make sense to add a whole new layer of hierarchy if there are two people interested. We CAN create unique or one-off positions for them to fill without creating a bulky new framework that just makes the faction less accessible to new members.
If we do decide to do it, it should be thus: ONE Grand Moff, who has a seat at the table co-equal with the Voices - even that seems to be counter to what's established as canon for this faction (but correct me if I'm wrong), but if it's absolutely essential then that's the way to do it. Nobody gets a direct line to the Emperor above anyone else. If the Grand Moff is to be high-level then they should be co-equal with the Voices. How a government-wide Grand Moff will mesh with sector-specific voices is really anyone's guess, but since we're trying to force a square peg into a round hole, we'll have to come up with some vaguely justifiable bullshit contrivance either way, so let's worry about that later.
The problem - to the extent that there is a problem - is that the One Sith view their dominion as galactic, but in reality they rule a small portion of the galaxy. I'd have to review the maps but I believe the One Sith's influence is limited to one or two Voice-led sectors. How do we translate a Moff structure (for the actual governing of system we actually own) to the notion that we're entitled to the entire galaxy and we have Voices whose portfolios are sectors of the galaxy that may or may not contain planets and systems governed by the One Sith?
I'm trying to think of a way that plopping down a Governor-Moff-Grand Moff system would fit with what we currently have and I'm not seeing a way that makes sense right off the bat. What am I missing? [member="Ludolf Vaas"], and other proponents, do you have a proposal to address this lore conflict issue?
In short, I'm going to have to say no thanks to that proposal.
If we ARE going to do create a system of ranks to cater to the NFUs, let's not make it excessively complicated. First, let's talk about people who are actually interested. It doesn't make sense to add a whole new layer of hierarchy if there are two people interested. We CAN create unique or one-off positions for them to fill without creating a bulky new framework that just makes the faction less accessible to new members.
If we do decide to do it, it should be thus: ONE Grand Moff, who has a seat at the table co-equal with the Voices - even that seems to be counter to what's established as canon for this faction (but correct me if I'm wrong), but if it's absolutely essential then that's the way to do it. Nobody gets a direct line to the Emperor above anyone else. If the Grand Moff is to be high-level then they should be co-equal with the Voices. How a government-wide Grand Moff will mesh with sector-specific voices is really anyone's guess, but since we're trying to force a square peg into a round hole, we'll have to come up with some vaguely justifiable bullshit contrivance either way, so let's worry about that later.
The problem - to the extent that there is a problem - is that the One Sith view their dominion as galactic, but in reality they rule a small portion of the galaxy. I'd have to review the maps but I believe the One Sith's influence is limited to one or two Voice-led sectors. How do we translate a Moff structure (for the actual governing of system we actually own) to the notion that we're entitled to the entire galaxy and we have Voices whose portfolios are sectors of the galaxy that may or may not contain planets and systems governed by the One Sith?
I'm trying to think of a way that plopping down a Governor-Moff-Grand Moff system would fit with what we currently have and I'm not seeing a way that makes sense right off the bat. What am I missing? [member="Ludolf Vaas"], and other proponents, do you have a proposal to address this lore conflict issue?
Via Dolorosa
Amans In Tenebris
Hmm, that can be reasonably accepted then. I (and my character) are what some would call "traditionalists"Vrag said:
I can understand that part then.sabrina said:
Darth Imperatus
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[member="Avadreia Lacroix"]
I think you misunderstand. Either the Grand Moffs report to the voices, as per my original suggestion, or one Grand Moff reports to the Dark Lord and runs the government, being unaffiliated with the Sith Order. Either way, there is no "meshing".
I think you misunderstand. Either the Grand Moffs report to the voices, as per my original suggestion, or one Grand Moff reports to the Dark Lord and runs the government, being unaffiliated with the Sith Order. Either way, there is no "meshing".
skin, bone, and arrogance
I think it's you who is misunderstanding the point I'm trying to make. The whole point is that current proposals don't mesh. But whatever we decide to put in place HAS to mesh for it to work as an organic outgrowth of what we already have.Melakoth Tyrin said:
sabrina
Well-Known Member
Okay in our canon, a knight can be called a Darth. As a sith lord and a knight in theory, are seen as equals in eyes of our dark lord. The voices and.[member="Darth Isolda"] are seen as first amongst equals. So with that in mind, please explain why a nfu, would have more rights of access to our dark lord than a knight.
V A N I T A S
[member="sabrina"]
The same reason any NFU that is considered knight-ranked in our faction ranking would be.
Just drop it.
The same reason any NFU that is considered knight-ranked in our faction ranking would be.
Just drop it.
Ludolf Vaas
"Trust me"
[member="Avadreia Lacroix"] the idea was that the galactic sectors remain. The Voices still control their sectors, but the planets that are actually under direct OS control are ruled by the Moffs. Minus the sliver of the galaxy that we control, that still leaves a good 9/10s of the galaxy to be divided up into sectors for the Voices.
I thought this would make sense, since it seems to me that the Voice's job is to sort of clandestinely create Sith influence in their sectors. They're not really government officials by virtue of the fact that we don't actually control the territories they operate in. So we should have actual government officials for the territories we do control - a.k.a. Moffs if we go by traditional lore.
And my idea was that there would be only one Grand Moff who reports directly to the Emperor. The rest of the Moffs don't.
I thought this would make sense, since it seems to me that the Voice's job is to sort of clandestinely create Sith influence in their sectors. They're not really government officials by virtue of the fact that we don't actually control the territories they operate in. So we should have actual government officials for the territories we do control - a.k.a. Moffs if we go by traditional lore.
And my idea was that there would be only one Grand Moff who reports directly to the Emperor. The rest of the Moffs don't.
"A Dramatic Force-Blessed Myth"
Maybe I should read a bit more into this whole discussion, but I do think there's a vital point all of you are missing. We are Sith From an OOC standpoint, all the things about NFU equality is well and good... but look at who we are. We are not the republic. No freedom... we kinda fight that thing if you guys remember. I can't recall a single time in sith history where a sith really had to answer to someone below him. Grand Moff tarkin might have had some influence on Vader.. but go one more force rank, and that moff is a puppy.
OOC: Equality Woo!
IC: I have wizard powers... get in line before I turn you into dust.
OOC: Equality Woo!
IC: I have wizard powers... get in line before I turn you into dust.