Mirial

[Coci Heavenshield]

The Jedi Order has set up on Telos, I don't want to take that planet unless they are happy for us to do so.

SSC was never about gaining a big cloud. Taking the entire hex just robs us of further story lines we could do for each planet individually.

 

[Coci Heavenshield]

Merged the two discussions on Mirial.

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Coci Heavenshield"]

Frankly I find the 'you get the whole hex if you do 150 posts' rule...bizarre from a storytelling perspective.


Just because you do a hell of a lot on planet X doesn't mean that folks on planet Y would suddenly join you. It's weird storytelling. Admittedly you coud spend 50 posts on X, 50 on Y and so on, but still.


Then again, the dominion rules have very little to do with storytelling and more to do with 'causing chaos'. In other words getting more invasions. Either directly or via proxy. 'Don't care about consequences and just rp' is very easy to say.


Admittedly I appreciate the fact that the framework allows minors to affect things on the map (even though I still can't liberate Tygara from Jedi oppression! ), though I doubt it will work that way in practice.


Anyhow, topic is a possible Mirial dom. Do we have objectives for it? Apologies if they were already mentioned and I missed them.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]
You'll forgive me if that brief aborted rebellion for Dromund Kaas did not fill me with confidence.

Being roflstomped by every Sith and his Kath Hound sounds about as much fun as a root canal.

There is no circumstance where I would advocate advancing in tier until certain issues in the rules are clarified or corrected.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

[member="Valiens Nantaris"]

Even if the Sith were a concern, they have an invasion coming up in April.

If the worry is about one Sith they will be too busy trying to win togaria.

Worrying about the 1% is silly when one can just Roleplay. A Rebellion, even if it did occur, is no more than a skirmish.

The only way a defending MF loses is if they don't post because rebellions have a time limit.

If the desire is to not go north, then go west to reinforce that boundary. Either way, just have fun role playing defenses for a tier 3 or at the very least fill in the gaps to the east side.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I do not entirely trust the motives of some SSC 'members' who emerge suddenly with grand plans of dominions when they have never been seen before.

If this comes down to a vote, I will vote against because I am cynical about human nature.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I do not entirely trust the motives of some SSC 'members' who emerge suddenly with grand plans of dominions when they have never been seen before.

If this comes down to a vote, I will vote against because I am cynical about human nature.

If you are talking about me, you might as well just come out and say it. I rather not beat around the bush with what may seem as passive aggressiveness -- especially since I do contribute in many different forms to this faction.

If you are making a general statement, it is a sad state in the faction when their own Faction Admin has no faith in members who have built and contributed through many dominions and such in both Sanctum and Silver Jedi.

It isn't just me who is thinking this paranoia is silly. There are other members who have been here a while, much like Judah Dashiell, who see this as an opportunity, not as some vile secret infiltrator high scheme to screw the SSC over.

That's just only shows the members that there is very little faith in their membership.

 

[Audren Sykes]

Drama not necessary.

SSC doms tend to be story-driven. We could get a whole hex in one thread or we could do multiple dominions, multiple stories and theoretically accomplish the same. If the objectives and story work for the whole hex, I'm in. If they work for a single planet/system, lets do that. Lets not force something to fit a shape it doesn't.

 

[Kurayami Bloodborn]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]

I'm just a lowly member and certainly not the most active, but the reason I stuck with doms and such for RP purposes was that they were purely PvE. I could just explore ruins, or take on some NPC's for fun, in a setting where I had control. If I didn't feel like combat, I didn't have to write it. I have so little faith in most PvP situations that I would rather not deal with them at all. Problem is that if I am in a dom that gets pushed to two or three then I lose the control I had going forward with my arc in that dom. Sure, it's a cyncial and self centered viewpoint, but I have reason to be a bit distrusting of those whom I do not know well. I used to be all for the big combat posts and the chaos caused by unplanned PC's popping in and having a good duel. That changed when I got my character involved with a completely planned storyline, with a set endgame that was well documented. This ended with me getting torn to shreds as a person and losing people I considered good friends in the aftermath.

I know this isn't the same site, or even the same people involved, but honestly I see plenty of threads that are nothing but drama over something that was either planned or unplanned and after the fact one person didn't like the end result. So I do my best to avoid that at all costs. I'm sure one of the responses I will get is to just ignore if a dom tier gets pushed up and just leave the thread at that point, so I will preempt that by saying no, I won't leave the thread without being given a chance to wrap up my storyline within the dom as I see fit. Problem is with a Rebellion or opposing minor faction popping into a higher tier dom, I can't just ignore the opposition in order to finish what I had started and honestly I have issue with being forced to acknowledge an attack that I had no knowledge of. I understand that people see it as a 'chance to make the story better and more interesting' but for me, stuff like that is just stressful. At this point were I to face off against someone with the same rank tag who had actually been trained, Kurayami would realistically be dead. I know it is up to the defender how much damage is taken, and I try to be fair in that sense, but so many people try to write their opponent into a corner, and for someone like me who isn't the most versed in combat descriptions or dueling, it takes the fun away and just adds stress.

I'm not saying that this is a thing that would even happen but I wanted to express my view on the whole thing, and explain why I have issue with the way that these things are set up. Also even though I tagged you Danger, this isn't me trying to say that you are wrong, or passive aggressively go after you in any way. It's just my views and a very simplified version of events that lead to the issues I have with PvP in a text based environment.

 

[Danger Arceneau]

[member="Audren Sykes"]

Yup!

[member="Kurayami Bloodborn"]

And that's perfectly fine and understandable.

What just leaves me aghast is the notion when faction members start pointing fingers at their own members in paranoia.

At that point it can give the perception that there is no point in contributing story in a Dom and instead take it elsewhere.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]
I was NOT referring to you, in point of fact.

I've seen you around in a few threads and such for a while.

Apologies if it came off that way, I should have qualified it.

Perhaps I'm being a little too paranoid.

However, the point still stands; I feel it would be unwise to open the door without having a faction vote to decide on the matter. Do the rewards outweigh the risks?

 

[Danger Arceneau]

Awesome. I know it is terrible to really convey tone or what one means when typing, much the less tapping away on an iPhone.

I thank you for that clarification.

Honestly I just want to rp and make stories. The medium ( public, private, Doms, skirmishes or invasions ) at the end of the day is all the same to me.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

[member="Danger Arceneau"]
I think I am just a little jaded from how quickly it seemed like every random Sith jumped on the rebellion train.

A good policy would be starting with a level 1 and then seeing the situation. Hold a faction vote and see if people want to push on.

 

[Coci Heavenshield]

To be perfectly honest will you all, I have been sitting here wondering what just happened here.

Firstly, some of the comments made in this thread have no bases of fact to them. From the very beginnings of SJO (now SSC) and as the founder of this faction, I have worked very hard to keep OOC drama to a minimum. Yes there has been issues over this time but nothing that could not be handled with care and consideration (to the best of my ability). From memory only 3, would you believe. So that part of the history of this faction I am very proud of.

Never at any point have I (and this is my view only) been skeptical or paranoid about any member of this faction. In fact I am very proud of the fact that we (all members of SSC) accommodate the RP and story line of any member that wishes to explore outside of their lightside alliance, in fact we always encouraged it and even RP with them to fulfill their writing experience. So to say that the SSC admins are paranoid about other SSC members is incorrect, because there are more then one SSC admin here.

If there is an issue with what others have to say about this I would ask that you take this issue to PM and work things out there, if you require my assist in this please add me to the PM.

As for the new rules of the Doms now, they are fine but I just think them murky at best and I believe it is this that is causing a lot of confusion (which is making people uncertain about their RP experience) but over all they are interesting and exciting. I don't believe this was the intention of the new rules and if chaos is what they aimed for well they have it, just in an OOC environment. So yes people are cautious about them. Which I fully understand.

That is all I am going to say on that matter.

As for what we should go for, I am happy with any suggestion either north, south, east or west. Although my view is that we should go west!

Also, from a Jedi POV I don't think we need to take full hexes, what is the hurry? It just looks like greed for space which we have never been about. Some of the planets around our area are in no danger (north, south and east) but if you wish to do them for story purposes that is fine. But we also have to consider a more strategic approach to Doms now because of the new rules. Not saying we can't do what we used to, but I think we have to put more consideration into them regarding positions. (I am sitting here thinking, "Do we have to take the entire SSC fleet and gear up in armour each and every time we Dom?". probably not, but these are the things we need to consider now.

Besides we are only allowed one per month and we could simply do 'normal' Doms thereafter and achieve the same thing. Considering just how fast we can do Doms, Tier 3 Doms seems redundant to me.

 

[Valiens Nantaris]

Hear hear.

 

[Connor Harrison]

I still don't get the Dominion Tier rules and don't want them making what is a simple and enjoyable event something seen as a chore.

From what I see, space to the West is just waiting to be claimed and brought to the fold, so we could do that and step away from any risk of rebellions or things from neighbouring Factions and just explore new ideas and stories and developments with the SSC on the planets.

Like the possessed hammers; those sort of ideas create so much story for characters and the Faction itself, without other Faction attacks and invasions etc. That was fun.

 

[Sorel Crieff]

My limited (limited=rubbish, just said more politely) understanding of the Dominion rules is that any Dom can be a Level 3 Dom. Even if the SSC declares it a 100 post Dom, anyone can continue to post. If it reaches 150 posts, it becomes ripe for a Rebellion - EVEN IF the intention was to stop at 100 posts and it is called and added to the map.

So the debate is slightly academic. Regardless of what a Major Faction wants to do, any Minor can turn it into a Rebellion at will. If I'm wrong, I'd be delighted, but it seems to me the decision on Level has been taken out of the hands of the Major Faction.

 

[Orihime Ike]

[member="Sorel Crieff"] yes and no, if the thread goes to 110 posts then anyone can push it to a rebellion. normally if there was a story it was encouraged to continue your story when the dominion was done.... good example our plotline in Dromuund Kaas which went from page 2 or 3 to page 11 and was great but now is not looking at encouraged.

the question of a dominion gaining more tiers after being added to the map request is something [member="Valiens Nantaris"] or [member="Thurion Heavenshield"] would have to answer as it would seem very cheap to get more after you've already said you are done. They might have addressed that in the thread itself answering

 

[The Bounteous Hunt]

Hi there! Fatty here!

Yes I did do a Genocide, and I created this character to explore those very specific ramifications I would love to be introduced as a character during such a dominion, and I would also to make sure you know I had Mirial walking with these: http://starwarsrp.net/topic/76150-mirialan-zodou-shade/

At least one of which, shall be this characters family member, to which she hopes to bring peace to.

I don't care how far we go, I just want to make sure that this is going to happen, right?