Mandalorians vs GE | FO

[Lemon]

Chaos.

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[Goran]

Historically, Mandalorians have worked for the side that paid them the most to shoot things. That might have meant working for the bad guys more often than the good, but they've never had any qualms working for the good guys if the pay was right. They've also never hesitated to look after their own best interests. In this case, that would mean attacking rival powers while the brunt of their military might is focused elsewhere. It's a perfectly logical move for an expansionist Mand'alor. The GA are going to get hammered no matter how you look at it. By offering them assistance, not only does it put the GA in Mandalore's debt, it gives them a chance to whittle away at the fighting power of factions that would have eventually had to be dealt with.

[member="Jor Kvall"]

 

[Jamie Pyne]

These are very strange times.

 

[Jor Kvall]

Historically, Mandalorians have worked for the side that paid them the most to shoot things. That might have meant working for the bad guys more often than the good, but they've never had any qualms working for the good guys if the pay was right.

Mandalorians have always been a bit of a wild card, sure, but that doesn't change that our enemies have always been Jedi. We've had thousands of years of warfare with Jedi that ended with them nuking our homeworld. That is not easily forgotten for any true Mandalorian. Then when Mandalore was under the control of its pro-Republic faction, it resulted in our total cultural and moral deterioration and actual starvation of the populace. The Death Watch, the group which our faction is literally based off of, owes its entire existence to opposing these types.

They've also never hesitated to look after their own best interests. In this case, that would mean attacking rival powers while the brunt of their military might is focused elsewhere. It's a perfectly logical move for an expansionist Mand'alor.

This doesn't serve our best interests. If attrition is the goal, then why not simply let the two rivals duke it out themselves? If expansion is the goal, what is the point of expending valuable resources and lives in a foreign conflict that has nothing to do with us when we could be building our own territories instead, while everyone else is preoccupied? Or, another wild idea - why not ally and trade with the foreing powers ideologically closest to us? (Hint: not the ones who destroyed our planets in the past).

The GA are going to get hammered no matter how you look at it. By offering them assistance, not only does it put the GA in Mandalore's debt, it gives them a chance to whittle away at the fighting power of factions that would have eventually had to be dealt with.

If the GA are waning and the FO is waxing, why not ally with the stronger power? If the outcome is so sure, wouldn't it be better to have the victors in our debt, rather than the losers?

 

[Jor Kvall]

Chaos.

Come on man. That's silly.

 

[Ra Vizsla]

Disclaimer: Nobody decides the allies, enemies, direction of the Mandalorian Empire, or what wars we should or shouldn't engage in except the very openly tyrannical Sole Ruler, Mand'alor the Undying.

Fact Check: One of the first invasions ever after the four hundred year darkness, Waking of the Bear, had the Jedi and Mandalorians working together against the Sith. The statement that our enemies have always been Jedi is false. On Chaos, historically, our enemies have almost always been Sith. But, times change, and you never know...

 

[Jor Kvall]

Sorry, but for me, actual Star Wars canon overrules any obscure threads on Chaos. Just because the Mando characters before me fought the wrong people, doesn't mean my character will.

Bruh, we literally just got done fighting a war against someone because they nuked Mandalore. Now you want to fight alongside... people who nuked Mandalore. XD

 

[Lemon]

Jor challenges Ra for the title of Mand'alor when

 

[Ra Vizsla]

[member="Jor Kvall"]

Everyone's allowed to have an opinion, but Manda'yaim is only allowed one Sole Ruler.

Feel free to take your grievances IC.

 

[Jor Kvall]

Feel free to take your grievances IC.

Oh, I certainly will, my friend.

No personal offense intended of course.

I just hope other Mandos here see my points. There is no way my character is fighting alongside his people's biggest enemy in galactic history. He loves fighting, but he didn't sign up for pointless wars.

Look at where cooperating with Jedi/Republic-types historically gets us. The sissy New Mandalorians. The very antithesis of Death Watch.

WITH JEDI WE LOSE!

 

[Ra Vizsla]

dude what part of "Undying" failed to translate here

 

[Goran]

For the record, this is mostly speculation based on observation, at least regards to motive and the military utility. Death Watch are icky, so I can't say what they've actually been planning.

Mandalorians have always been a bit of a wild card, sure, but that doesn't change that our enemies have always been Jedi. We've had thousands of years of warfare with Jedi that ended with them nuking our homeworld. That is not easily forgotten for any true Mandalorian. Then when Mandalore was under the control of its pro-Republic faction, it resulted in our total cultural and moral deterioration and actual starvation of the populace. The Death Watch, the group which our faction is literally based off of, owes its entire existence to opposing these types.

There are roughly as many definitions as to what makes a "true Mandalorian" as there are stars to be conquered. Going back to canon, both Legends and current, Mandalorians and Jedi have fought against each other, and they've fought with each other, as the situation required. Boba Freaking Fett launched a joint raid on the Roche asteroid system with Luke Skywalker. They didn't like each other, and they didn't part on good terms, but that's about as Mando and Jedi as you can get.

You can talk about what a "true Mandalorian" might think, but the single overriding trait common to all Mandalorians that has united them across the eras is pragmatism. Dogma is fine and all, but it doesn't put food on the table.

This doesn't serve our best interests. If attrition is the goal, then why not simply let the two rivals duke it out themselves? If expansion is the goal, what is the point of expending valuable resources and lives in a foreign conflict that has nothing to do with us when we could be building our own territories instead, while everyone else is preoccupied? Or, another wild idea - why not ally and trade with the foreing powers ideologically closest to us? (Hint: not the ones who destroyed our planets in the past).

Strategy and tactics are two entirely different things. Staying out of a fight that doesn't involve you might be a smart tactic, but in the end, it's not always good strategy. Long term, it's very much in the best interest of the Mandalorians to do wear down their main rivals. Doing so requires a relatively small investment on the Mando end. You can wreak untold havoc on an opponent whose back is turned, without having to expend more than a token amount of your own resources. Similarly, a relatively small group of fighters in just the right spot can easily blunt an attack and force the targets to expend far more energy than they otherwise would to complete their objective. Again, Mandalorian expenditure is minimal, but the return on the investment is not.

If the GA are waning and the FO is waxing, why not ally with the stronger power? If the outcome is so sure, wouldn't it be better to have the victors in our debt, rather than the losers?

What's more useful in the long run: an ally who owes their very existence to Mandalore, or a strong rival who could challenge for supremacy? I never said that the GA would lose, simply that they would get hammered. It's going to happen. There's too much firepower headed their way for them not to take considerable losses. That's not the same thing as taking a loss, however. Historically, a small, well trained and disciplined force can serve as a backstop against a much larger one. The GA will still have to hold their own, but with a little help in the right spot, their plight goes from unsurvivable to winnable.

Also consider that the longer the GA exists, the more attention the Imperial factions will have to focus in their direction. Those factions will have to be dealt with at some point, and if they can be forced to fight a multifront war, so much the better. Strategically speaking, that works out far better for Mandalore in the long run than a swift elimination of the GA.

[member="Jor Kvall"]

 

[Jor Kvall]

[member="Ra Vizsla"]

You weren't the first and you won't be the last.

I will follow you to the ends of the earth, but only as long as you do what's best for Mandalorians. Remember our history.

WITH JEDI WE LOSE!

 

[Jor Kvall]

[member="Goran"]

Well first of all, Boba Fett wasn't a Mandalorian.

The rest of your logic is predicated on the notion that the First Order or the Empire have to be our enemies. Why? Crazy idea here, but it seems to me like either of them would make pretty good allies for us. They both prize honor and warfare as much as us, and they don't give a crap about peace or democracy or any ideals like that which would bog us down. The GA on the other hand, will never make a lasting ally, there are simply too many ideological differences

Good night, Mandalorians. Until tomorrow!

P.S.

WITH JEDI WE LOSE

 

[Alasdair Sitra]

Putting a word in for the Empire as I feel that thoughts on our actions have been very assumed by most parties.

I think this is a great idea, while my eyebrow raises at the why I encourage the Mandos to launch come January and would have supported it earlier if permitted. The story that can be written would be immense, especially as seen when the faction itself second guesses their intentions. The Empire will write gladly with the Mandalorians and I look forward to it.

We are putting the war back in Star Wars, activity is increasing across all factions and we haven't even started yet. Why is everyone being so negative about this...

 

[Goran]

Tell that to the entire generation that called him Mand'alor. Might have taken him a while to wrap his head around the job, but once he did, his leadership saw the Mandalorian people go from uncultured thugs to a force to be reckoned with in the eyes of the galaxy. If that's not Mando enough for you, get used to a life of disappointment.

And they're enemies because Mand'alor the Zombie just declared war on them. As far as considering alliances go, that's generally considered a dealbreaker.

[member="Jor Kvall"]

 

[Darth Avida]

Hey, the First Order and Galactic Empire have to fall eventually.

I'm not complaining.

Edit: In hindsight I realize how strange that sounds considering the context.

 

[Stephanie Swail]

 

[Marcus Tritum]

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We shall fight you on the beaches​

 

[Ra Vizsla]

Why is everyone being so negative about this...

“Everyone” is a bit of an overstatement.

It was in my contract when I signed on as Mandalor that I have to deal with at least one crazy person per hype train. Jack Raxis, Muad Dib, RC 212, etc... they could probably start their own faction by this point, or at least a solid cover band.

Honestly what Jor is doing here is pretty par for the course for us.