Joining of the Jedi Orders

[Kei Amadis]

If you guys do sign up to it, can this be a vote?

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/72621-a-united-jedi-order/

Or better yet completely optional for our members? No need for a vote then.

Also mostly because we've a lot of people who are not Jedi, one of my 3 muses natoline isn't, and Kei has reservations IC, while Taiden would sign up. Such great mature group of writers this, been a lot of fun and I like to protect these rare alcoves of happy times when they come along.

Whatever you decide, either to brave the drama and go, or not go and have an easier life I am behind you 100% OOC.

 

[Sor-Jan Xantha]

[member="Kei Amadis"]

I like the proposal of a High Council of the Jedi Order, seated by masters from ALL of the various orders (NJO, SJO, GR Jedi Order, etc) but with a shared NPC as its 'leader'.

To me, there wouldn't be an issue of people choosing to join or not, because it would be a purely In-Character story thing, and most characters are going to be part of a major faction and associated with the Jedi group that's aligned with that faction.

Silver Sanctum Coalition = Silver Jedi Order
Galactic Republic = The Jedi Order (minor faction)
Galactic Alliance = New Jedi Order (which includes a sub-faction of Corellian Jedi)

I know I saw the Covenant mentioned in the thread you linked, but it's a dead faction now whose FAs pointed its members to the Galactic Alliance.

So (the way I am interpreting or envisioning this as a concept) this would just be a story thing chaired by Masters in order to coordinate what their different Force Orders are doing or represent.

In a way, we already have what we're discussing in the Jedi Academy minor faction. It's just not utilized to the extent that it could be. And, to my mind, this would actually be a better use for it perhaps. Since each 'Major Faction aligned Jedi Group' has its own training standards and forums, the training parts of the Jedi Academy really only work for some cross-faction training and those Jedi who are not in a major faction.

My .02

 

[Kei Amadis]

[member="Sor-Jan Xantha"]
Does that mean all force using characters here are under its mandate whether they want to be or not? While NFU's are not.

That's my question. - Be much easier for each Force User to decide that on their own terms, that's really what the Levantine Sanctum was about before the merge with the SJO. Freedom of choice. I am asking this oddly on behalf of my [member="Natoline Kerrigan"] muse even more than I am of Kei, (as freedom of choice is her muse ) but also for other DJ muses and characters present here.

Then there is the question of NFU's, does this influence them in anyway?

 

[Sor-Jan Xantha]

[member="Kei Amadis"]

To my mind, no. We (the Silver Jedi Order) would continue doing what we've been doing.

All this does is demonstrate a common thread of unity. The High Council or Grand Council or Jedi Conclave (whatever we decide to call this thing) would simply be an in-character, in-story place where Coci and Thurion (as the Master of the Silver Jedi Order and Grandmaster of the Order respectively) would offer the Silver Jedi view to resolving conflicts -- be they between Jedi Groups or regarding external threats.

We have a lot of Jedi groups running around the board. And, if you look at the EU, there are several examples of splinter Jedi groups.

This would appear to merely be a forum where we could discuss, IC and OOC, what our groups are doing in order to coordinate better where wanted/expected/needed.

But in terms of who the Silver Jedi are, what we do, etc... that remains a purely internal control unique to the SSC.

We decide how we operate. This Jedi Conclave/High Council is just an in-character reminder that Jedi can work together to accomplish their goals/will of the Force/etc

That means that our NFUs (Antarian Rangers mostly) continue as they are as well.

Other interpretations may vary. But from what I've read, and particularly what Coci has said in that thread, that's my interpretation of what we're talking about.

tl;dr: This wouldn't be something we would join per se. It would just be a common Jedi Council in which the Silver Jedi were represented, with no OOC ability to dictate, control, direct, etc

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

Does that mean all force using characters here are under its mandate whether they want to be or not? While NFU's are not.

Same here. None of my chars are Jedi or have any desire to conform to rules set by a 'Galactic Jedi Council' or suddenly change their lives and become Jedi. After all, one of them (Kaida) comes from an entirely alien Force tradition.


[member="Kei Amadis"]


If it's just a joint framework for Jedi to coordinate and cooperate (e.g. against common threats -) or some sort of Jedi NATO, I have no issue with it and am neutral. It's a different story if SSC's independence as a sovereign nation and the way it governs itself is affected by what foreign Jedi say.

 

[Kei Amadis]

[member="Siobhan Kerrigan"]

Exactly, I can't say sio didn't go through my mind as someone i'd fight tooth and nail to keep here and keep happy goes double for all our friends at firemane.

This is also why an optional abstain from something that just makes no sense for a faction is a good idea. A really good idea. That way its not an external power grab, which it had the potential to be, and a clever one granted.

So we can overule important things like - hey Sio you've got to put on robes now no more beskar (camoflaged )! Or Hey Kei, shave your face!

 

[Sor-Jan Xantha]

[member="Siobhan Kerrigan"] | [member="Kei Amadis"]

This would appear to only be discussing 'Jedi'

I think we also decide what 'Jedi' means. For example, even though Thurion has welcomed [member="Boo Chiyo"] as a result of the "Sacrifice of Angels" Young Jedi storyline we ran, I would consider Boo to be a friend of the Silver Jedi and member of the SSC... but I'm not going to change his rank to Jedi Padawan, because he's not (to my mind) a Jedi. And I use [member="Anja aj'Rou"]'s custom Primeval religion specifically to make him a unique Force Witch (or as unique as a FU character can be in a fan-dominated fictional universe loaded with FU characters).

I'd be up for the Silver Jedi Council having the ability to police Boo, but wouldn't want nor desire that this larger Council be involved with him at all.

And there's no reason that I can see why they would or should do that, nor do I think that's the point. This appears to merely be a Jedi Conclave for the sake of being able to say that all Jedi are part of the same Holy Order of Jedi Knights.

But at the player level, nothing would be different or change.

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Kei Amadis"]


Aye. To be perfectly honest, the main reason Sio started as a Jedi on the first [member="Valiens Nantaris"] and I used to rp was because neutrals and rogues weren't allowed. Because...ICly it made no sense for any Jedi Order to let her hin. Logically she would've been a Rebel, a member of the Underworld faction or an Imperial. Her master, Adril, was also a Jedi In Name Only.



[member="Sor-Jan Xantha"]


Then we have accord. I agree completely.


My perception of SSC has always been that it allows neutrals and rogue forcers, even darksiders as long as they're not psychos, Sith or mass murderers. But the Silver Jedi Order, as the body of Force magi primarily responsible for protecting the realm, has the right to police them. It's a decentralised confederation of worlds, but subscribes to some sort of common charter.


In other words, if say Siobhan started committing war crimes and stuff, SJO would be well within its right to imprison/kill/Force severe her etc. After all, it's also home to people like Boo and my Eldorai (along with the elf various sub-races), whose view of the Force is totally alien from that of the Jedi.

 

[Sor-Jan Xantha]

[member="Siobhan Kerrigan"]

Then the question becomes does our accord/interpretation mesh with what everybody else thinks this is?

I know one guy said he wanted one Jedi faction, with sub-forums for the different splinter groups, but I just can't see that working.

I like how the Silver Jedi and the Levantine Sanctum each provide story avenues and opportunities for one another in this coalition that are different, but also share a common theme. And from what I've seen, the GA and NJO are similar in that respect.

 

[Kei Amadis]

[member="Sor-Jan Xantha"]

If its to inspire roleplay for the jedi members and cooperation where it is needed, great! I'm all in, sign me up boss. - I think this is the intent of most folk.

If its to tell people what to write or not write (their faction or individually) - nope.

 

[Thurion Heavenshield]

I wish to make it perfectly clear that if this thing becomes reality, nothing will change regarding our faction's policies. We will still accept anyone regardless of what they call themselves, be it Rogue, Dark, Witch, etc. We will still truck along doing our own thing in our corner of the galaxy.

Should the High Council demand that we make changes to our policies, then I will go Conan on their bums.

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

[member="Thurion Heavenshield"]


Ok. Excellent. That clears up my concerns. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Kei Amadis]

[member="Thurion Heavenshield"]

Thanks Thurion for looking out for us all

Time to Celebrate

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

I would also note that, though we call ourselves Jedi, realistically, we're not: our policies and doctrines are a little more relaxed, and our focus is a little bit different to that of the traditional Jedi Order, which is why we schismed out in the first place. The Silver Jedi were there to focus on the original mandate of the Jedi Order, sans the politics and pro-Republic/GA focus, while the Levantine Sanctum was devised as a pro-peacekeeping/aid-oriented faction that was created to bring a more neutral tone to the Force User factions and stay out of the politics.

To my mind, this mandate hasn't changed, even though we're a Major joint Faction: we present a unified front against the One Sith, yes, but our responsibilities haven't changed. The Jedi Order outside SSC is still a political organisation, even though it doesn't seek to rule or lead. Their mandates are very anti-Sith, while ours remains pro-humanitarian. The two may be compatible, but we're not truly members of the Jedi Order in this respect. We keep the name and some of the traditions, but we're not Jedi in the traditional sense - as shown by our neutral status and the presence of non-Jedi/LS members.

I've no problem with maintaining diplomatic ties with the Jedi Order, but I'd object to participating in a joint ruling body or full formal alliance. It would go against the principles by which the two groups were originally founded, and certainly contradict our existing stance.

 

[Nohemi Allaneh]

Yeah. Even the Order of the White Current is not Jedish ish, but it is still within Sanctum space.

Either way; we mind our own business xD

 

[Coci Heavenshield]

I wish to make it perfectly clear that if this thing becomes reality, nothing will change regarding our faction's policies. We will still accept anyone regardless of what they call themselves, be it Rogue, Dark, Witch, etc. We will still truck along doing our own thing in our corner of the galaxy.

Should the High Council demand that we make changes to our policies, then I will go Conan on their bums.

And no guesses who would get to the first.