I'm stepping down As FO And we lost Coruscant.

[Jake Daniels]

Yeah, we just aren't in any shape to handle another invasion. As [member="Cyrus Tregessar"] pointed out inactivity has significantly increased. If we go minor we can regroup. If we stay major and are invaded we just don't have the man power to put up a "story driven" response that would net us a win. That's how it appears to me anyway. [member="Valessia Brentioch"] and Cyrus have valid points of rping it out. Going minor seems to be the best option right now.

 

[sabrina]

The main problem with going minor, form outsider point of view which I guess I am now a days, is the immortals. as a minor faction can't use them, I not sure but you may be able to use them again if you go major.

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

Can't use them in a competative RP (Invasion, Dom, as an ally, etc.) or in a situation where someone cries about it to an RPJ.

Generally free reign otherwise, and you'd be amazed what's allowed with a bit of discussion with your opponent.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"] I know that I was thinking of more when you regroup.

Also if you are going out with a bang, think of a planet a storm it, as like breakthrough story. As you go into abyss of night, like the sith did when fleeing the jedi from korriban to dromund kass.

 

[Isamu Baelor]

The problem with staying major is that the OS is, frankly, a empty husk of what it was. We've lost Coruscant, we've lost most of our member base, and we have no momentum. We haven't been able to finish a dominion in months

Worst of all, we are surrounded by enemies. We've got the GR, GA, Mando Clans, and Mando Crusaders basically boxing us in. We're at war with all of them, and we'll get slaughtered by them.

Realistically, we have one option:

Redesign. Rebuild. Reclaim.

Go minor, and do it through a faction event. It needs to be one that leaves a mark, something that everyone will remember. Burn the core. Scorched earth tactics. If the GA, GR, and Mando's want some planets, they can take them, but they'll be charred husks.

After that, redesign the faction. Come up with something new, and fresh. Then rebuild, go major, but place yourself somewhere on the map where it won't be a 4-on-1 handicap match. Then you reclaim, and take back what we lost.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Raoh Logarius"] it is only ga that is a problem, mandos and gr are virtually at war with each other. Though you are right, hence if your going out, do it like we came into this world, and storm a planet.

 

[Via Dolorosa]

Going Minor is fine.....but instead of just going minor....rp the fall of the OS and create another Sith Faction. I like the idea of Empire....which allows those that don't rp force users a chance to make a difference. Going minor from major will handicap us in the long run. Why? Despite the whole concept of metagaming, people/writers will be expecting a return of the OS. Why give into theirs fears when you can give them new nightmares to erupt their cuddled sleep patterns? And when we feel the time is right to go major....we do it properly rather than greedily.

Rp the downfall of the Sith....give up what planets we have....rebuild under a new name....and work as a collective to smooth out the creases that will be standing in our way. Someone mentioned activity (I KNOW who it was and forgive me for my tiredness for not mention you by name but I know who it was) and that is something that all factions...minor and major....will have to deal with. By creating a new faction...a minor faction....it would allow other writers to find their seating in the grand scheme of things.

When I first joined this site and the OS, I never truly believed in the OS cannon belief but I made it work for me. Why make other writers...new and old...go through that? By starting over and creating something new and different....where everyone can feel like they are a part of a new beginning....writers/people will work together to squash the bugs that could hold back such a challenge.

For example: Why use one Sith Code? Why not use parts of the new and old codes to define ourselves...or even better yet, create a new set of codes that can reflect what we are trying to achieve. Example again: Individualism vs Collective Hive. Why should a Sith be forced to understand what the Order deems is right and wrong? Rather than that....why not allow a Sith to pursue their own individual freedoms? Create codes that reflect more on individualism rather than collective thinking. Darth Bane culled the Sith who eradicated the individual Sith way for a more collective style of thinking. No Sith should ever be made to feel equal....equality, like peace, is a lie. The old Sith of days passed never believed that.

However, to ensure chaos among the Order never occurs, checks and balances should be put in place. I like the concept of a Dark Council, but in no way should those that sit upon it be allowed to think they are more superior than those that hold no seat. They are advisers only, and elections or challenges can be made against those that hold such a seat of power would be encouraged. Politics is a two-edged blade....and those that try to manipulate their elected position would feel which of those two-edged blades deep into their flawed superiourority complex.

Also....why have a npc emperor or overseer? Why not have an actual character hold the most highest rank among the Order? I know some would say that would or could cause division among the Order....but is it not the Sith way to challenge those they perceive weaker than themselves? I truly believe that such a concept would force the Order to be strong....especially for the person that runs the new faction. In my eyes, that makes them choose right choices that are put it in front of them....and if one person or a collective of persons feels he or she isn't doing the job then challenge him or her. Also, whoever is the chosen leader cannot be the FO/Head FA....if such a person that holds that title wants to challenge the leader....and they succeed....then they relinquish their position. Now, to favouritism....votes would or should be held among the members to place those in the position of a Dark Council....which goes back to politics....rp out such bribes and promises so everyone knows what is going on...but again the rule of metagaming is in place.

Isn't it the idea of all Sith to betray?

that's what I think...and that is only a portion of what I think.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Darth Venefica"] actually way things are unfolding a little between my main and [member="Darth Erebos"] I might be up for that. Though if we are doing this, could we drop the name sith. Not because we not sith, not to give our enemies the ability go your sith wahhhh. Though it would be starting from scratch.

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"] would you be up for that?

 

[Cyrus Tregessar]

My idea is as follows.

We do one last faction thread detailing the collapse of the organized One Sith government in the wake of the loss of Coruscant, most of the Dark Council, much of the fleet, etc. The thread would indicate the reactions of the PC's as various Sith take over planets/sectors/etc. and establish themselves as warlords.

In the resulting chaos, there's plenty of room for folks who would like to continue the legacy of the One Sith to form their own organization and go underground.

Cyrus will not be part of that though, he's no true believer. I'm going to be RPing out the seizure of most of the Darr-Itah Battlecruisers and defection of most of Battleforce Iron Lance. I'm happy to offer up single ones as unique's for future use by a major faction.

The cool part is that we can reach out to the GA and have them play along as well, trying to respond to the fact that now they don't face a united front but a dozen different Sith Warlords. There's also a Darr-Itah in it for them if they want (a la the Lusankya) because that's kinda neat. Same idea with the Republic I suppose, and it makes sense given that both would likely be trying to capitalize on the disorder.

The other thing to do would be to inform the Admins that the One Sith are voluntarily withdrawing as a Major Faction and the territory is up for Rebellions. Bring on the independant warlords, I say. There's plenty of room there, [member="Darth Venefica"] and [member="sabrina"], to create a new Sith-y faction with territory from the outset.

This proposal, of course, would I assume require a general consensus from all the [active] members, as it would be the demise of the faction.

And for what it's worth I second the nomination of [member="Abelain Narv'uk"] and [member="Darth Ophidia"].

[member="Valessia Brentioch"] [member="Darth Erebos"] [member="Skaarj"] [member="Jake Daniels"] [member="Benji"] [member="Darth Ophidia"] [member="Abyss"] [member="Isamu Baelor"] [member="Raoh Logarius"]
Edit: Posted same time as I saw your mention, @sabrina. Unfortunately no. This is coming as a writer, but I'm not up for starting for scratch again, not right now. Cyrus will be taking his talents elsewhere, likely no matter what happens.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"] no worries, I was thinking it be nice for us to design a fleet together. Though which faction would it be for you, FO or ST
Though I will have to convert a character for fleeting with us then, if no one else is interested.

 

[Carach]

I haven't really been active in the OS since I left, but I have fought and pushed the faction practically since it's inception as a major faction. So I'd like to second [member="Darth Ophidia"] as a nominee.

I'd offer up myself to facilitate the transition to a minor faction, but I think people want to see someone handling it who has been backing the faction in the last couple of invasions.

 

[Darth Ophidia]

To be the last FO of the One Sith as it is: It's quite the profound idea.

I believe the One Sith is done as a major faction, for now. At this rate, we will be recalled for lacking activity and our territory torn apart by rebellions. Therefore, I agree with [member="Cyrus Tregessar"] in that a faction event detailing the collapse of the faction is the way to go before going minor on our own accord, or leaving the faction to rest.

Most of the Dark Council has scattered; the Galactic Alliance has taken the capitol; The One Sith is bleeding out, tearing itself apart as the infrastructure of Lords collapses. Some will set their lands aflame, not to let them fall into enemy hands. Others will strike out on their own, trying to forge their own empires among the ashen remains.

The Sith fade into the shadows, waiting, building their strength until they can once more set the Galaxy ablaze.

If the faction would have me, then yes, I accept the nomination as FO.

[member="Cerita Sarova"] @sabrina [member="Cyrus Tregessar"] [member="Darth Venefica"] [member="Raoh Logarius"] [member="Abelain Narv'uk"] [member="Valessia Brentioch"] [member="Darth Erebos"] @Others

 

[Darth Abyss]

I would definitely agree with [member="Darth Ophidia"] as our final FO. If you need help with whatever has to be done for our grand final I (and I guess a lot of the members that are still active) will offer any help and support possible .Let our downfall be something that will be remembered.

 

[sabrina]

[member="Darth Ophidia"] if we're to rebuild, for me to look term future in the new faction I need some sort of ooc agreement of no genocide

 

[Valessia Brentioch]

[member="Darth Ophidia"]

Yes, it shall be an honor, and perhaps I can create a new acolyte for the occasion - or one who will show up just after.

 

[Abelain Narv'uk]

[member="Darth Venefica"]

Whilst I can understand where you're coming from with the creation of a new minor faction, and the feeling of accomplishment that will come to new ones as they help it grow, I do notice some ideas of yours that seem a bit iffy.

First things first, I'm fairly certain that the OS as it has been used recently has been a fairly loose collection of Sith going out and gallivanting among the stars. Even IC, I don't see a very authoritarian system in terms of restrictions for Sith PC's. You seem to highlight a new system wherein individualism is promoted, but I believe we've already implemented that.

Next, you encourage a series of checks and balances, but implementing a set of rules rather discourages the individualism you're aiming for, doesn't it? I agree that a council of some manner does seem to be a decent idea, and allows for various people to feel more attached to the group, and allows their ideas to be better received as a whole, but if they aren't at all superior to their colleagues, what is the point?

The idea of challenging those in power to take their seats is very Sith-y, but from an OOC standpoint it might take away from the unity of the group, and instead devolve into a brawl for a seat that apparently does nothing but advise.

Which brings me to my next issue. You mention that we ought to bring in an IC leader such as an Emperor. Whilst the idea is fine, and can be useful for directing the attention of the group forward, it can also lead to lots of infighting. While I understand that infighting leads to RP, it can quickly become overwhelming, and lead to a cycle of just people fighting over the position of being leader. Also, if we have a PC leader it is unlikely they will actually heed the advice of any of the Dark Council, and that will effectively render them useless.

All in all I believe that there are many good ideas here, but that they require a bit of work before we use them, or at the very least some serious consideration from the group as a whole.

 

[Isamu Baelor]

Throwing in my two-cents on the "Challenging for another PC's seat" thing.

From my understanding, the in-fighting that caused, killed the original Sith Empire.

That also killed the new Sith Empire.

It seems like people will be too preoccupied with trying to kill each other, instead of trying to further the faction as a whole.

 

[Jake Daniels]

I'll support however the One Sith decide to go and from an IC perspective Jakes loyal and won't be going anywhere. He's just not a genocidal Sith so depending on how the one Sith decide to fall as a major faction will determine how large of a presence Jake will have.

I'm still in support of a scorched earth fudge you all idea where we diliberately vanish on our own accord and not because some faction smacked us into doing so. So whoever takes our planets essentially take a planet that looks like Mercury >:-D

 

[sabrina]

[member="Abelain Narv'uk"] [member="Raoh Logarius"] if I try and write a basic constitution and a story would you look at it and give your input. This goes for others as well.

Also could the brother hood be a good name.
Let's go loosely affiliated

 

[Isamu Baelor]

The issue with being a lawful evil faction (read: no genocides), is that there's already one. It's called the Sith Triumvirate.

If the faction's going to stand out, it's to need to offer something that the others don't. And right now, that's being the evilest motherkarkers on the board.