Question Force and Magik

[Odessa Djazit]

To my knowledge, as its been told to me by others, that Chaos does not allow for the creation of Force and Magik spells....

...and my questions are as follows:

• Is this true first of all?
• If it's not true, would a creation of spells (more than any Force created abilities) require a Codex submission under the section of Lore?

I'm looking to expand more on the nature of Dathomir Magic, and subsequently spells usage through creation. I am aware of the current list of Dathomir spells, but there could be so much more to expand or incorporate. Many paths.

Any feedback or answers are greatly appreciated.

 

[Darth Strosius]

This is true, you cannot create any new Force powers or abilities I'm afraid. What you might be thinking of with the Codex submission is the Force Tradition but that's for fleshing out practices such as those of the Nightsisters or Jedi or whatever else, not for submitting new powers.

Having said that there are many abilities and powers that should easily fit just about everything you could want to be able to do in one way or another, and a lot of them are vague enough to have plenty of wiggle room! I'm not the most familiar with Dathomiri Magic in particular myself but so long as there's some sort of existing precedent and you're not trying to instantly wipe out another writer or their stuff with one wave of your hand you don't have to worry tooo much about the particulars!

Odessa Djazit

 

[Kaila Irons]

Personally what I hope to do is add some dathomiri flair to existing force powers once my character learns enough to draw from spirits and ichor more so than the dark side itself, as fluff to slow down her dark side corruption maybe. Ik Talzin for example used green force lightning, so i figure what's stopping us from using say, darkshear, but describe it as smoky green spears instead of the usual invisible or black spears? i feel like making them visible is more balanced anyway, but this is just one example.

I know this isn't exactly new, but I think it could help expand a witch's arsenal for those looking to go pure magick and can help one stay on theme if they wish

 

[Odessa Djazit]

Darth Strosius

Thank you for your answer.

Kaila Irons

That's what I was actually thinking about. Taking a single spell and warp it to fit into a witch's grimore through a Lore submission. That way it's not new but enhanced and has supporting facts behind it through the submission.

 

[Brooke Waters]

I take what’s in canon and legends and put a spin on it. But don’t change the fundamentals of the universe

 

[Srina Talon]

Odessa Djazit

Just to be clear...

Force Powers cannot be created or codified to the Codex [X]but please don't confuse this with being limited at to what you can use the Force for IC.

The Force is what you make of it. It's not like D & D where you need to assign specific spells like "magic missile" and that's the only accepted usage. When you're writing and developing your characters abilities think of the Force more like a multi-tool solution for unlimited ways to get the job done. It can be used to do virtually anything you need it to do IC. You just can't submit Force Powers themselves to the Codex.

You'll notice that some writers do prefer to use the named abilities on the Wookie but others just describe the effect or process of what they're doing in writing.

Both of things are perfectly okay.

I keep adding the Dathomir Magic as an example of what we're interested in and the short answer is: It's all still the Force.

Instead of using the Force in the more "common" ways IC you can 100% adjust things to have that Nightsister flair and build on a more "witchy" aesthetic versus just Jedi or Sith utilization. You would just show this through writing it out instead of trying to submit and name it.

That's what I was actually thinking about. Taking a single spell and warp it to fit into a witch's grimore through a Lore submission. That way it's not new but enhanced and has supporting facts behind it through the submission.

If I'm understanding you correctly you actually cannot do this. That would count as submitting a new Force Power. You could submit the grimoire itself as a tool or a book but you wouldn't be able to use Lore to submit a dozen new versions of already existing Force Powers.

You can write it out IC as you please.

You cannot submit it.

Does that make sense?

Edit: I replied to this because there seemed to be some misinformation and other people reading it were getting confused. Sorry to necro an old topic!