Something To Weigh In On

[Arrbi Betna]

Okay, so... Talked a bit with [member="Captain Larraq"] today off and on about it and the idea of the Protectors as a major faction popped up pretty often in conversation. Pros and Cons were discussed and, ultimately, it was determined that the idea should be pitched to the faction because depending on how active various writers get (myself included), we have the numbers to do so if I remember the rules correctly.


PROs

• No more waiting for permission from the Mando faction hierarchy on which dominions to do and what directions to take. We can make our own decisions and own paths.
• Less drama and such from the Mando faction. No more inactive leadership and questionable motives from admins on various goals.
• Full transparency from admins as... well, let's be honest. 9 times out of 10 the admins here toss things at you guys or go off of what you guys wanna do. That one time out of ten is either something so minor that it didn't matter or you guys take us to task for it and rightfully so.
• We can still mine beskar and resources as various backing companies and corporations have access and would be happy to supply us with the items requested/required.
• We can still help and be helped by the main Mando faction as we can still hold Mando Faction status as dual members and bounce between the two as needed.

CONs

• We become a bit of a target on the map. People can invade us and raid us as they will, meaning we'd have to maintain vigilance and activity pretty regularly.
• Being "boxed in" is a very real possibility that we need to work hard to avoid and be proactive in maintaining activity. Planning dominions and invasions to make sure we're not going to get cornered is key in many situations.
• There could be some potential animosity between the Protectors and the main Mandalorian faction, though I kind of doubt it. By dual factioning we don't kill their activity while at the same time we maintain ours.

If anyone has anything they wanna add, go ahead and pop up with it. This is just a thought and a theory at the moment. We have no plans towards going major right now, I just felt that it was time to pitch it to you guys after Larraq talked more and more about the possibilities of doing so.

 

[Julius Sedaire]

If you guys go this route i'd probably bow out.. I really don't want to play the dom-invasion game anymore unless it's on my terms, and being a new major faction it wouldn't be.

 

[Arrbi Betna]

[member="Ijaat Akun"]
That's why the debate was posed lol Its a thought, an idea. If we do it, should we as a faction decide to, no one's gonna make you post to invasions or dominions. We may ask, but you have every right to say no and no one's gonna get on your case. Preferences are preferences and life is life, no sense in trying to push people to do what they don't want to.

That all said, though, do you have any ideas on where to go as a minor faction?

 

[Anija Betna]

[member="Arrbi Betna"] [member="Ijaat Akun"] [member="Vilaz Munin"] [member="Nolan Detta"]

I can see some major advantages to us going major. We would have autonomy from the mando leadership. We could do our own thing without people saying we had to get approval. Right now though, going major would make us a huge target. Especially with primeval on our doorstep.

Which, I honestly think we could do our own thing without going major. I don't see an issue with doing our own thing, and I really think we don't need to ask mando leadership approval for what we do. We should be able to run doms how we want to. And if it increases mando territory they have no place to complain.

I am looking at a few options. Really leaning towards Elom or Ord Ramada. I don't want a completely combat focuSed Dom. What are everyone's thoughts?

 

[Atin Kandossii]

Considering my inactivity and missing in action status the past four months I'll give an opinion but not a vote. I'll go with whatever you guys decide. That said.....

Pros: For all intents we are our own masters, save for heeding the call of the Mandalore. We have free rein on targets, dominions, expansions, and the like without needing to wait for permission from the mando higher ups. And we will be independent.

Cons: We become a target. Create animosity with (some) mandos for creating a splinter group that either can be said to be recruiting from within the mandos, not following the tenet of the resol'nare by following the Mandalore explicitly because we DO have independence, or are land grabbing territories and resources for our personal gain.

Pretty much i think out comes down to is our desire for a more independent and proactive protector faction able withstand three things.
1: activity.
2: persecution and hard feelings from other mandos.
3. A big big target on our backs(let's face it, off someone wants mando space or resources would be better for them to hit the protectors first instead of the whole mando faction as well as we would be an ambitious new faction. And they probably don't want anymore mando factions enticing new members lol.)

I'm game for whatever you mates decide and still support the faction no matter what.

[member="Anija Ordo"] [member="Arrbi Betna"] [member="Ijaat Akun"]

 

[Siobhan Kerrigan]

I am not sure whether it's proper of me to vote, considering my inactivity in this group and the fact that Sio has sort of been drifting from the Mandalorians. So I'll just give my thoughts.


I can understand the desire to break away from the main Mandalorian faction due to the, how shall we put it, leadership issues there. But I see going major more as weakening the Mandalorians as a whole rather than strengthening them.


For one, going major means you have to be ready to be a target. It's an invitation to your neighbour to walk over and give you a clobbering. If I were running Primeval, I'd go gunning for a Mando Protectors' faction before taking on the other Mandalorians. Sure the Protectors have nine members on paper, but do they have the activity to actually be a sustainable major faction? I can help out the Mandalorians as I've been doing in the Toprawa dom, but I would not be able to actually commit Siobhan to this project since it does not work ICly for her.


Moreover, even with multifactioning, it would still mean two Mandalorian factions are competing for the same membership pool. Admittedly I'm terribly cynical, but I expect OOC rancour, which might lead to IC one.


If the Protectors go major, will they still acknowledge Azrael as the Mandalore? If they do, then I find myself having difficulties understanding the logic of splitting off. If they don't, the other Mandalorians declare them dar'manda and there's a schism.

I am looking at a few options. Really leaning towards Elom or Ord Ramada. I don't want a completely combat focuSed Dom. What are everyone's thoughts?

Agreed. I think Elom is a good start. And it's right next door to Prime Korriban. It's my opinion that this group could still do its own thing without splitting off. Then again, to an extent I'm speaking from the position of an observer who only sporadically interacts with the Mando leadership. But I see working within its framework as more profitable than splitting at this juncture. I don't recall doms requiring approval. And people follow those who push activity.


Besides, to be blunt, faction leadership can be removed. Ideally ICly the Mandalorian way.

 

[Vilaz Munin]

I can understand the desire to break away from the main Mandalorian faction due to the, how shall we put it, leadership issues there. But I see going major more as weakening the Mandalorians as a whole rather than strengthening them.

If the Protectors go major, will they still acknowledge Azrael as the Mandalore? If they do, then I find myself having difficulties understanding the logic of splitting off. If they don't, the other Mandalorians declare them dar'manda and there's a schism.

All of this ^.