Sith=Evil? What makes a sith a sith?

[Krux Mullarus]

I began writing this character of mine inspired by the 'Light Sith' arc in SWTOR. I enjoyed it. It felt right. It was fun to play a Sith who genuinely tried to be a benevolent person in service to his Empire, just as a Jedi is normally a patriot to the Galactic Republic, only following the Sith Code instead of the Jedi Code. From what i've seen around this site, most people do not even like the Light Sith idea and think Sith are all meant to be the same malicious warmongers they're made out to be in the movies. I wanted to do something different, so I made Mullarus.

The way I see it, the Sith are just like the Jedi, only with far less restrictions, and that is what causes most to choose to be more 'evil' than Jedi. That's also why many Jedi 'turn to the Dark Side' for their own personal agendas, because the Sith welcome self-preservation and personal advancement over all else, if that is what you prefer. That's why I actually find the Sith to be more morally correct than the Jedi (Sue me), because the Sith believe in freedom of choice, unlike Jedi.

I love this discussion.

 

[Ayessa Valen]

Maybe we can RP then! I'm going for exactly that. Although I'll be moving from One Sith to the Black Rose.

[member=Knight Mullarus]

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Ayessa Valen"] Wrong move. OS have a small core of us who believe more along the Light Sith lines. Black Rose...anarchists with Dark Jedi leanings, and pure anti-Sith. You'd tread a dangerous line by joining them. And you can do a lot more for the cause as part of OS, that's for sure!

 

[Ayden Cater]

Just gonna drop a few quotes here from the Star Wars Wookiepedia.

From the Dark Side of the Force page:

• (Canon) Additionally, use of the dark side by somebody with generally good intentions in a moment of weakness could leave that individual feeling weak and shivery, with a general feeling of wrongness.
• (Canon) ...drawing upon the power of the dark side did not necessarily come with ease or without cost to those who were not used to drawing upon feelings such as hatred and who possessed strong compassion.
• (Legends) The dark side, much like a strong, addictive narcotic, affected not only the mind of the user but the appearance as well. As one immersed oneself deeper within the dark side of the Force, its malevolent power took a toll on the body. Darth Bane explained that the reason for this physical degradation was because flesh and bone lacked the endurance to channel the immense power of the dark side indefinitely. Revan also explained that while the light side and Jedi teachings were devoted to preventing physical change through the Force, the dark side changes had to be accepted by the Sith, or they would fail due to their attempts at moderation.

I could grab more, but the fact of the matter is; if one is talking in largely general terms, the Jedi (and Light Side of the Force) are good and the Sith (and Dark Side of the Force) are evil. Try to twist it all you want, but that's the truth of it.

No Sith has even been a positive influence on the galaxy. They bring death and destruction as they grow in power.

Sidious was absolutely evil. 99% of all Sith are going to be evil. Obviously that's not going to change how most people depict their Sith characters, but that doesn't change the fact. The Sith are evil. The Dark Side is evil.

 

[Ayessa Valen]

Ayessa isn't fighting for any cause other than her own. I have no intention on becoming a dark jedi and I will still follow in Sith Teachings! If anything, I'd prefer being anti-sith if it means being anti all those psychopaths and sadists, you know? She isn't looking for Light Sith necessarily. I have just been looking for a place where she can be her the most! I think this is the right decision. If not, Ayessa can handle herself.

[member=Tirdarius]

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

Ah, reductionism: take something complicated and make it simple so anybody can 'understand' it.

[member="Ayessa Valen"] Then you have to destroy the Sith, to truly oppose them. Or, as would be perhaps more appropriate, work to change them from the inside. Otherwise you just make yourself a target, and there are plenty of 'Sith' who will happily step over your corpse on the way forward.

 

[Ayden Cater]

[member="Tirdarius"]

There's nothing "complicated" about it. The Sith destroy. They ruin. They enslave.

If you want to believe something contrary to the evidence, you can just make excuses and twisted logic to support yourself.

Funny how there's Redemption for someone who falls to the Dark Side, but nothing like that for those who turn to the Light. I wonder why that is...

 

[Ayessa Valen]

There is no reason for me to have to "come out" as a Sith if I'm aware that my surroundings don't stand for that. If there are psychotic sith running around, and I need to oppose them, I don't see a problem with that. Light Sith in One Sith shouldn't ever really end up as targets, should they?

[member=Tirdarius]

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Ayden Cater"] Because we're not stupid enough to turn our backs on someone that betrayed us once? That's not 'evil', it's pragmatism. I refer you to Frank Herbert: "Never trust a traitor, even one you created".

And there are plenty of complications to go around. Because you choose to neither acknowledge them nor entertain an idea isn't to say that it's wrong. Just not your cup of tea, which is fair. But outright declaring 'evil' because you think of it that way? That's how wars start.

[member="Ayessa Valen"] Yeah, sometimes they do, sad to say. But provided you contribute to the cause, nobody really cares what you believe. And those that do...well, you deal with them as best you can. Sometimes with violence, if they push you to it, but most of the time, it's best just to focus on doing the right thing. And clean up the mess afterwards. There usually is one.

 

[Krux Mullarus]

[member="Ayessa Valen"] / [member="Tirdarius"]

If you want to join the Black Rose, by all means, do it. Nobody has to tell you what you have to do if you decide to, though Tid has a point. The BR openly opposes the Sith, so dont expect them all to be friendly toward you if they found out.

And you can look at it from [member="Ayden Cater"]'s perspective if you like things being black and white with nothing beyond "These are the good guys and these are the bad guys lol"

 

[Ayessa Valen]

We'll see how it plays out! I won't know how it goes unless I try it. I totally get where you're coming from, though! You almost got me to change my mind again. I'm ready to take on whatever happens, and if it happens to not be in my best interests, I will adjust accordingly.

[member=Tirdarius] / [member=Knight Mullarus]

 

[Ayden Cater]

[member="Knight Mullarus"]

I said, in general terms, the Jedi are good and the Sith are evil.

I'm a writer. I'm well aware of the literary strings that are at my feet to pluck. Darth Cadeus was a Sith, and evil. Yet he managed to unite a galaxy by sacrificing his name and reputation. Yet, in doing that, he also murdered members of his family and friends and plunged the galaxy at large into a destructive war the likes of which it had not seen since the Rebel Alliance fought the Empire.

I'm also well aware of the fact that the Jedi's code and views are apparently contradictory. How they stifle. The problems inherent to them. Do not insult my intelligence by saying that my perspective is 'things being black and white with nothing beyond "These are the good guys and these are the bad guys lol" ' You don't even know what my perspective really is.

The thread was asking a general question. I gave a general answer.

 

[Keira Priest]

The Sith aren't evil and the Jedi aren't good. It's all about a point of view, just like Anakin himself said in Revenge of the Sith, "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" We all define morality in our own unique way, and that includes right and wrong. No one can say for sure if the Sith are evil or not, because that depends on who you're asking. In my personal opinion I would say that most of the time they are, if you choose to define evil classically, but every villain can be sympathized with, just as you can grow to despise any hero if you look at them in a different light. Like Keira has said on one occasion, "It's all one big jumbled up philosophical mess." And really, there's not much else to it.

If you want to go really deep into things, you can look at the Force itself and the supposed "Light" and "Dark" "sides" it harbors. I put them in quotes because to me it doesn't seem like some all-encompassing and overreaching energy field has any sense or spectrum of good and evil, nor does it much care what one uses their power for. It simply exists and, like most things, has consequences depending on just what you decide to do with your fancy space magic. The only reason people see the Dark Side as evil is because what wielders of it have done in the past, and plus there is that whole corruption bit. But it's all one big social construct, because all Sith and all Jedi are more than likely going to see themselves as doing the right thing. It's human nature.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Keira Ticon"] And that's where the Unifying Force comes in Light and Dark are our perspectives, our choices, our imprint upon energy we're interconnected to. The Force doesn't care either way.

 

[Keira Priest]

[member="Keira Ticon"] And that's where the Unifying Force comes in Light and Dark are our perspectives, our choices, our imprint upon energy we're interconnected to. The Force doesn't care either way.

Exactly. It's why I write rogues. You guys can have fun arguing all you want, I'll be over here accomplishing more than discussing philosophy.

 

[Krux Mullarus]

[member="Ayden Cater"]

"Don't insult my intelligence"

If you want to believe something contrary to the evidence, you can just make excuses and twisted logic to support yourself.
Funny how there's Redemption for someone who falls to the Dark Side, but nothing like that for those who turn to the Light. I wonder why that is...[/size][/font]

*Insults everyone else's intelligence*


If you find it more interesting to look at it in the sense that one side is clearly right and one is clearly wrong, fine. That's not interesting to me. That's not interesting to a lot of people. This is Chaos, none of what we do here is or ever will be canon. Ripping facts from canon wikipedia articles wont make your opinions accepted. Let us see what we want to see, and you can do the same. Here on Chaos, we write our own characters stories however we want.

 

[Krux Mullarus]

[member="Ayessa Valen"]

If youre serious about wanting to rp, I know a couple Black Rosies you can pair up with.

 

[Teynara Jeralyr]

[member="Knight Mullarus"] Or you could keep [member="Ayessa Valen"] with us and train her yourself. You should.

 

[Krux Mullarus]

[member="Tirdarius"]

She wants to join the Black Rose. Plus I already have an apprentice. Im sticking to one at a time.

 

[Ayessa Valen]

That would be very helpful!

[member=knight mullarus]