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I'm stepping down As FO And we lost Coruscant.

Juggerduck

Just another avatar for Cyttorak
Raoh Logarius said:
The issue with being a lawful evil faction (read: no genocides), is that there's already one. It's called the Sith Triumvirate.

If the faction's going to stand out, it's to need to offer something that the others don't. And right now, that's being the evilest motherkarkers on the board.
All of this.
 
[member="sabrina"]

I'm always here to help, and if you'd like me to read something you've written for the sake of seeing how it is, then I'll gladly await it's creation.

Just tag me, or PM me with a link if you'd like.

[member="Jake Daniels"]
That sounds like a splendid idea in my book.
 
[member="Darth Ophidia"]

In essence....you wouldn't be the last former FO of the OS....rather instead be the dark guiding light that brings in a new and better faction. I'm not saying take the mantle of Dark Lord...but work with others (pick me mi'lady) to help create and establish a new Sith Faction. If you do not desire the role of Emperor....then take pride in being the new FO of a new faction. I'll help you 100% to make such a belief happen.

[member="Cyrus Tregessar"]

You have always been the guiding force behind the Sith's naval armada....thus I believe you should do what you must...and through a well calculated rp thread allow for that to become a driving force in a new faction. You will always have my support.

[member="Abelain Narv'uk"]

It is the true nature of all Sith to conduct infighting among themselves....weed out the weak while maintaining the strong.

I'm not implementing rules to discourage individualism...but rather encouraging it as a Sith should. Checks and balances....that was but a mere suggestion and it's not etched in stone. Those that do decide to see a better and new improved faction would have a OCC voice to propose their concerns and applauds. The OS, if you actually read the canon verse of the OS, you will see their is no individualism....only "this is how it is and this is what it shall be" Meaning for example, why should Masters hold classes to teach new abilities to Acolytes.....that is the basis of a hive. Why not have Masters teach their own apprentices what they know....and those that crave knowledge and wisdom seek it out through a one-on-one rp thread with a Master?



Abelain Narv'uk said:
The idea of challenging those in power to take their seats is very Sith-y, but from an OOC standpoint it might take away from the unity of the group, and instead devolve into a brawl for a seat that apparently does nothing but advise.

Is that not the Sith way? I like to believe that other writers have a little thing called respect. No Acolyte would dare challenge a Knight or Lord for their position....unless said Acolyte made pacts and promises to certain ranking members for their support...and it goes for Knights and Lords themselves....Unity...as you call it....would be formed out of respect of other writers....or risk losing face with their peers. In historic times, the only time Sith truly got along was when they waged war against a common foe. Is it not the Sith way to wage internal wars among themselves? Or is the Sith truly cursed to become nothing more than high class Dark Jedi?

I'm not throwing my lot into being the emperor or dark lord....I've always been happy as being the Dagobah Sith that fought against those who failed to align themselves with what she believed.

With an IC leader...it puts them on the hot seat to make the proper choices that are presented to them. As I stated, if the so called IC leader fails to listen to his or her advisers....then in my eyes that makes them a poor candidate to lead. As for the infighting, I believe that would not be the case. Why? Why would someone go through all the trouble of trying to take a leadership they know that they A. can never hold with strong support or B. make a play for a position that they know they could never hold with proper support. In your thinking, you assume all writers are the same. False. I've seen less ranked force users...jedi and sith alike....out write another writer who held a higher rank than them. So it would come down to writing skills....maybe it would encourage writers to either evaluate their writing skill or force them to not make a challenge they know they can't write properly. MOST invasion victories are based off writing skill rather than ranks.


[member="Raoh Logarius"]

I disagree. Only those that are childish and of childlike behaviour would try to write using movies or books as a basis to win a challenge. For me....I write so far outside the books and movies that I find the books and movies to be tedious and repetitive. Creative thinking is not a crime....only plagiarism is. Why would someone wish to create a character based off Maul, Siduous, Vader, or even Bane? Be something different and if you can't....then don't make the mistake of trying to toss out a challenge. And if that comment offends people....the GA are always looking for carbon copies to fill their ranks.

The whole concept of a potential infighting is childish really....are we not adults or close to being adults? I'm not saying there won't be infighting....but the potential of handling it properly is appealing to those that are good writers.

[member="Jake Daniels"]

And you nailed it! Not all Sith are genocidal, homicidal maniacs. For those of that know the history (dispelling the movies in favour of the novels) one would see that there are different styles of Sith. My character is a killer....when it appeases her survival nature....other than that she rather spend time do scientific research than killing her brothers and sisters.

[member="Raoh Logarius"]

Evil...Lawful or not....is a pointe of view. I don't believe my character is evil just because she holds the mantle of Sith Lord (Lady I prefer) but she will do evil things necessary to ensure her existence. As for the Triumvirate....that actually means three and not an entire faction....and even that concept is canon....Traya, Scion, and Nilhuis....that has been done before.


Listen folks, I'm not saying my idea is perfect or should be embraced by anyone....I'm just saying we should redefine ourselves as Sith...or suffer the same traditional branding everyone thinks a Sith is or should be.
 
[member="Darth Venefica"]

Whilst the lore of the One Sith may state something along the lines of being a hive-mind, it is very clearly not. As an organization, there have always been sets of masters that teach apprentices, and who take them under their wing one on one. The only reason in my mind that we even have group classes is because we don't have enough masters to support a system wherein every person has a master, and every master has only a single apprentice.

It is the Sith way to fight among themselves, and while I do believe that at least most writers have some semblance of respect, I think you're missing a vital point. Not every decision made is going to be made through OOC logic. See, out of character, I can respect you as an individual entity with their own ideas on how things can be run, and can see your position in any organization as valid, and well won. IC, my character would see you as just another obstacle to grabbing power, since that is the Sith way. It makes sense for the story that he would try to overthrow you. Cue a long line of overthrows as people rationalize and reason with themselves.

If we are going to cater so heavily to being individualistic in our organization, then what is the point of having an actual organization. If every person is deciding things for themselves, then we aren't a faction, we're just people who call each other sometimes for help.

You're right that if someone didn't listen to their advisers, then they wouldn't be very good at leadership, but the only option that's been presented is to have someone else overthrow them. That'll make the person who was overthrown question what they did wrong, especially if their overall reign was going well, and it leads to constant OOC salt, and it turns the faction into a slug.

I've never said that I think every writer is the same, nor have I even insinuated it. In the end, it just doesn't matter. People will fight for the sake of trying to win, and that means it won't matter how good one writer truly is. It'll bog down activity as everyone vies to be top dog. Most invasions are determined by the stories forged, and the one you're drafting is just an endless monotonous struggle. How long do you really think people are going to stay in the group after they learn that all they've worked towards can be taken away by someone else in a heartbeat?

Who is supposedly going to decide how these struggles for power end? No one wants to lose what they've gained, and few people are just going to surrender power. That means we'll probably have to either trouble FA's for every little conflict, or else refer to the RPJ's who really have better things to look at.

I've said it before, but I'll repeat myself: Your ideas aren't bad, but I don't think that they'll work in their current iteration. If they were implemented as they were, then the group would commit suicide. By the way, just a helpful little grammar tip, but ellipses are only supposed to be three periods, not four, five, or six.
 
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Just saying, as an avid fan of rebellions, the idea of Government loss after losing Coruscant and all the outer reaches of the One Sith suddenly becoming wild with chaotic power grabs is frankly brilliant.

I only wish the rebellion rules were finished when the Primeval collapsed. Would've made things so much simpler, natural, and organic.

You all have an amazing opportunity for creativity here, do not waste it. If a number of you differ in how to deal with this OOC, why not take it into IC and see who ultimately 'wins'? Gather supporters to fashion your idea and rebel. If opposing members don't like that idea, they fight against it! If you don't like their ideas, fight against theirs!

Eventually, one idea above all others is bound to become dominant and eventually absorb/conquer the other ones given time.

And if not, no one will be able to say the One Sith went out wimpering. No... it will wail and scream deep into the night!
 
Grand Admiral, First Order Central Command
[member="Fatty"]

Amen.

[member="Abelain Narv'uk"] | [member="Darth Venefica"]

What would be really cool is to take this current debate IC and hey there's two rebellion-ready factions already.

All things considered I think it's time to vote. So, paging [member="Darth Erebos"]. Based on the reading we're looking at Ophidia, Venefica, and Abelain running.
 

sabrina

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[member="Cyrus Tregessar"] Agreed on that, and yes we should get behind one person icly.

May I also suggest, if we are going to have two groups, we have to and north and south part of faction.
If admin let it why not have the split, and winner takes the north and loser takes the south.
Then again you could decide to flee and burn the core, and/or one massive counter strike against coruscant

[member="Cira"] any thoughts on this, seeing your head cult of vahl, and admin for GA and board Admin
 

Isamu Baelor

Protector of The Iron Realm
[member="sabrina"]

Never going to happen. No faction is going to be allowed to inherit the cloud of another.

If there is going to be two factions, and they want to start with a fair amount of planets, they'll have to launch a rebellion against the One Sith. That's it.

[member="Darth Venefica"]



I disagree. Only those that are childish and of childlike behaviour would try to write using movies or books as a basis to win a challenge. For me....I write so far outside the books and movies that I find the books and movies to be tedious and repetitive. Creative thinking is not a crime....only plagiarism is. Why would someone wish to create a character based off Maul, Siduous, Vader, or even Bane? Be something different and if you can't....then don't make the mistake of trying to toss out a challenge. And if that comment offends people....the GA are always looking for carbon copies to fill their ranks.
I'm at a loss. What's the point you're trying to make here?


As for the Triumvirate....that actually means three and not an entire faction...
...and? I don't see how that's relevant to me pointing out that there is, currently, already a faction on the boards that does the whole lawful evil stuff.
 
I think we have talked ourselves in a bit of a circle and we are dangerously close to developing a certain toxicity: Let's not.

But here is my idea for the path ahead:

Having lost its centralised government, the One Sith is set on fire by feuding warlords who grasp for power. Some (Ophidia among them) will opt to leave the land charred and burned before their enemies' advance. Thus poisoning their victory. Others may object to the waste of resources or seemingly senseless carnage. This creates a political rift that sucks up the faction's infrastructure and forces the faction minor. This is not a war of borders, but Sith to Sith; Imperial to Imperial.

Thus the land is truly open to rebellions and anyone may take whatever chunk they desire from the red blob.

From there on, there are a few paths we could take.
  • We could rebrand ourselves. "Redefine the Sith" as Venefica says.
  • We could form an entirely new faction, perhaps one with a different focus, such as the Empire.
  • We could use the trademark One Sith philosophy again (Council, DL, bit of both? Future discussion.).
In addition there is the question of the how and when.
Do we:
  • Use the One Sith forums.
  • Create a new faction.
  • Wait.
  • Come back as soon as possible.
I know I have probably missed many viable options in my lists, and I most certainly do have my own preferences to the road ahead.

For example, I would like to still use the Kraytian One Sith philosophy, perhaps rediscover an NPC Dark Lord with a council of "equal" PCs acting as his representatives (Which would be the real governing body of the faction). Going minor, my first idea would be to begin recruiting and use our Minor Faction status to attack the galaxy from the Shadows until we have the manpower and structure to re-emerge through the fires of rebellion. How long that would take depends entirely in relative circumstances and future faction relations. In other words, the One Sith would be shaved down, recover, then come back when the time is right.

That is, however, plainly my preference and subject to fault.
 

sabrina

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[member="Darth Ophidia"]

I would personally vote for redefined sith, as none genocidal sith
also
I say use this one for now, till we decide if we are making one or more groups

Also which ever group [member="Darth Erebos"] goes into I shall be following into for ic reason

Though I do not feel I have right to vote for fo, as I am only just coming back due to an ic reason.

Though who ever wins the vote, I would suggest bringing the other two members in as an fa.
 

Juggerduck

Just another avatar for Cyttorak
My vote would be for a scorched-earth, pro-genocide, monster-based, raze the planet from the sky, horror show Sith. There are plenty of "we're evil, but only just so evil, and not evil at all when we don't want to be" factions. Also, spray paint a line through the word "One" and replace it with "All," at least for now, as a way of showing a break from the past while people fight for the future.
 

sabrina

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Thid Qaal said:
My vote would be for a scorched-earth, pro-genocide, monster-based, raze the planet from the sky, horror show Sith. There are plenty of "we're evil, but only just so evil, and not evil at all when we don't want to be" factions. Also, spray paint a line through the word "One" and replace it with "All," at least for now, as a way of showing a break from the past while people fight for the future.
I like your honesty, though I think that might be the area we will have a rebellion in.

[member="Darth Metus"] I do like the name brotherhood

I will give my rational why none genocidal and the sith code

1: Sith do not stagnate, we learn improve then start again.
1a: This means we make mistakes, learn from them become stronger again then win again.

So using this rational, and sith history I can only ever come to idea none genocidal.
Example 1: Darth Vader did it on Alderaan
Result: The Rebels gained strength, and mange to build a better resistance against them

Example 2: Original One Sith did it to mon cal
Result: An alliance against them formed and beat them

There are more, many more

So using the rational above and the sith code, I would say Sith should not commit genocide.

There is no peace there is only passion
True
As if you conquer people, they will fear you.
If you slaughter people, the survivors will Hate you
Why give them power of hate, when they can fear you

We all knows what comes with the rest of sith code, and that is They Will Be Free Of Us.


That is my rational, agree disagree that's fine.
 
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You don't have to make the faction minor. Just request that all your territory be open to rebellion (recall the faction I believe it's called). That way people who want this forum can keep it and attempt to stomp out the other rebellions rising up against them.

All the ideas you have (Sith Reformation, New One Sith, Imperial Resurgence, Reborn Brotherhood, Some-other-ideas-you-might-have, etc.), can exist as multiple rebellions competeting for existence at once.

No rules needed, no lists, no need for direction or voting, just ideas fighting for dominance. Let your OOC divisions of what to do next, be reflected in the IC, let this division be your creative fuel for how this massive collapse/reformation takes place even as enemies stand at the gates from all sides.

I want to see the Chaos brew, hue hue hue...
 
I'm new, so my opinion probably won't be highly regarded. But it's a fresh pair of eyes on a situation.

[member="Darth Venefica"] made a mention in a earlier post about reforming a new Sith Empire. And that option has a lot of potential. My character is new on the block, but he's an old sith, as in Sith Empire type old sith. He's lost a lot of his connection with the force, but he knows the old ways of the Sith.

My proposal is this:
Due to being a new character, he hasn't really got a faction to belong to yet. And he's searching for someone to help him reacquire what he has lost. But he is a walking encyclopedia of old sith teachings. As a result, if he were to meet one of the One Sith; say [member="Darth Venefica"], he could perhaps trade his old teachings and perspective of how the Sith were in their golden age for helping him restrengthen his connection to the force. As a result, his teachings spread through out the Sith ranks like wildfire; recalling the Sith like [member="Fatty"] suggested to strengthen the faction as a whole. Going quite for a while before reemerging as a tide of blood and death strengthened.

My reasoning is simple and two fold. Yes, it gets my character into the roleplay properly and with out being to much of a major player (I'm not looking for a power play here. Just proposing a plot hook and story arch.) But it also introduced a myriad of new roleplay options for not only the One Sith, but also the roleplay community as a whole.

That's my perspective, and apologies if i overstep. I'm just trying to give a fresh idea, because i hate seeing communities die.
 

sabrina

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[member="Issac Karesh"] don't worry about having an opinion, all are valid. Though in the end it is comes down to a vote and ic thread
 

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