Strange Q of the Week!: Alchemize Gas?

[Fatty]

So yeah! I naturally have another question, so I might as well turn it into a weekly event!

Today's topic: is it possible to perform Sith Alchemy on non-solid substances, such as gas? Basically, I'm wondering if it is possible to alter gas to such a point you could use the very air around to create a sith... something! For example: could a Masterful Sith Alchemist create a deadly Sith poisonous gas directly out of the air? Or a much more extreme example, could a Sith Alchemist alter the state of matter of air and alter into something else and more tangible, a crude blade perhaps? Also, if this were possible, what would realistically be the limits of what you could do with the alteration of the air around us?

Go forth children and discuss!

 

[Mrrew]

The time and concentration it would take to turn air in to a sword would be immensely inconvinient. The Sith would have to stand there and concetrate, re-arranging the molocules, for hours or days in the middle of a fight. Turning air in to gas? Maybe... If you're like a... Vallik-level alchemist. The more dangerous the gas, the longer it would take though.

 

[Fatty]

Well yes, you'd never want to try and pull this trick mid fight, but I'm just wondering if the application of alchemy is limited to only tangible substances. What if you want a Sith Sword or something, but that Sith Lord doesn't feel like going out of his way to get some materials, so he just pulls one out of the air

 

[Valik]

http://starwarsrp.net/topic/9380-sith-poison-wrist-launcher/

Yes.

For example: could a Masterful Sith Alchemist create a deadly Sith poisonous gas directly out of the air?

It'd be beyond just a Master Alchemist(You'd need to be a very well RP'd specialist), but yes, though it would require a great deal of concentration and would not be something that could be done on the fly. If I were to sit down, focus on the gas around me in a room for a few minutes I could slowly convert it into a poisonous entity, or perhaps even create a gas based sithspawn(as we do have gaseous species in star wars), but I couldn't simply wave a hand and poison everyone around me.

Or a much more extreme example, could a Sith Alchemist alter the state of matter of air and alter into something else and more tangible, a crude blade perhaps?

No. Sith alchemy is the art of taking something that exists and forcing a new property on it with the Force. Art of the Small however, could be used to change the atoms of the gas surrounding it into something more solid, though it would have limits based on what was in the gas and it would take a decent while to make a sizeable blade(Art of the Small in general is a Master-level power, and familiarity with the skill would be required from such a use). From there said blade could be alchemized, though only a handful of master alchemists could make a blade lightsaber resistant on the fly(Myself, Rave Merrill, maybe Disciple though I know biology is more his specialty).

 

[Fatty]

[member="Valik"] Well then what is defined as "a new property", as I'd say taking the gas and turning it into a stable solid doesn't break any conservation of matter laws and certainly gives the material used an effect that wouldn't otherwise be possible to maintain. Since alchemical swords are heavier from the density of altering the reality of material, why couldn't one say just make some of the air very heavy and with some influence solidify it, then make the transition permanent under normal atmospheric temperatures and air pressures?

 

[Balaya Praelior Zambrano]

well I know the gas is something, Val'ryss, Kaine and myself created the caries waters and later with was made into a aerosol breaker grenade but it took time and two strong alchemists with a third novice.

 

[Valik]

[member="Fatty"]
That's not how it works. Alchemy imbues an object with the force, not changes chemical properties. The density increase is a side effect of alchemization, not something one controls. Furthermore there is a massuvr difference between making steel, which is over 8K kg/m^3, a bit denser(50-100% by guestimates) and taking air, 1 kg/ m^3, and making it dense enough to replicate steel(an 800,000% difference). The only[/i way to conjure a blade out of thin air is AotS, which would be used to change air into durasteel, or some other solid material.

 

[Fatty]

Whelp I guess that's all there is to say on the matter.

Oh well, case dismissed...

Though feel free to continue discussion of unique ways to use Alchemy to alter things, or really any force power and using it in a obscure unorthodox way!

 

[Mrrew]

any force power and using it in a obscure unorthodox way!

If a strong telekinetic placed one hand hovering over each side of a sapient's head, and casted a force pull with each hand, could it rip the sapient's head apart in a bloody brain matter explosion?

 

[Fatty]

sure, telekinesis goes whatever way you want. If you want forcesplode someone's head, go right ahead and try

 

[Brak'ara]

[member="Valik"]

I'm probably wrong but I think Alchemy can be use to alter an item or an object by inserting force in it. It's not specified how it is done. The only thing we know for real is that Sith Alchemy uses force to alter objects. I think the definition of Altering and Objects is open to interpretations since we never really saw how alchemy works beside the Mask of Darth Sidious. Unless there's un rule on the forum I don't know, Sith Alchemy can alter the mass of matter and then can leads to some sort of solidification. It'll probably take a MASSIVE amount of air but making a solid blade would be possible I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Fatty]

I get the imbuement of the dark side thing and that dealing with intangible objects would be difficult to accomplish, but I'm under the naive belief that Alchemy can do this without additional skills, though I'm not a "professional" alchemist, so what do I know?

Also just to make things clear I merely used a sword as an example since that is the most common use for Sith Alchemy.

I just don't get why imbuing some air with alchemical energy would turn it into an increasingly dense material, that would eventually collapse into a solid alchemical form, wouldn't work. It would undoubtedly be inferior in every way to a "run of the mill" sith blade, but it would be cheap as hell being made from the air... and on a side note could be a form of Sith art, if a Sith artist existed!

 

[Brak'ara]

[member="Fatty"]

If you want it to be steel it could be hard. But in case you want a lightsaber to fight it would be pretty easy. You only need a source of fire and then do a simple Ionisation to create plasma. But I doubt it's your goal.

 

[Fatty]

well it certainly wouldn't be steel, it would still be air, it would just be solid and affected the imbuement of the dark side.

Though I hadn't thought of ionizing the air with the force, to essentially wield an actual saber blade using nothing but your mind and the air around you. Interesting indeed.

One could conceivably just ionize the air around ones head... god that would be a sucky way to go out.

 

[Brak'ara]

It would be a bit overpowered. I think the lightsaber would be ok. Force can be use as magnetic factor (force push, force pull) without the constraint of the ferrite. It would be possible to use force pull on a vector to stick the plasma around an axis and make a blade. Using this idea you can attract a HUGE amount of air and compress it around that same vector which could be a run around for your problem.