Fishing for interest for a Political Faction

[Alice Red]

I'd like to start off by saying I do not have everything prepared and ironed out to present in a neat format and / or infographic, but I know the general gist of what I want to do and know it fairly well. A couple of months ago, a faction by the title of the National Imperialist Party came into being, preaching ultra-nationalism, military pride and focus, and a fascist style economy in the Republic.

Unfortunately, that was mostly a failure and the party is more or less on it's death bed, waiting to be plugged off life support. I for one loved the idea too much to just see it go down the drain with a whimper so I plan on reviving it, but with some modifications.

This faction will be a, for the most part, pure political faction situated in Republic Space. There will be no acts of terrorism or wanton chaos, no subversion of the Republic through underhanded means, and no civil war unless the Republic and Galactic Senate ignores the cries of Ex-Imperial territories and abuses those planets. The ultimate goal of this party, from an IC perspective, is the reunification of all past Imperial territory into one nation, the betterment of Imperial planets and citizens now under the rulership of the Republic, and the hopeful attempt of molding the Republic into a more desirable faction from the view point of Ex-Imperials.

The OOC scope would be to offer players from both the Republic a, relatively, enemy from the inside that would require political debate and discussion to defeat rather than soldiers and tanks. Ex-Imperials in Republic space would, as well, have a chance to have their voice heard in a more organized fashion and have a shot at molding the Republic to better suit Imperial Planets and citizens, as well as corporations.

Above all, the party focuses on prosperity and glory to Imperials and their Republic counterparts if they are willing to work together for the common good, while maintaining a strong focus on militaristic ideals, pride, and honor.

 

[Muad Dib]

Hmmmm ..... Interesting .....

 

[Frank "Begs" Jusik]

I'm kinda surprised no one ever made a communist party.

 

[Alice Red]

@Jathin Fallin

I'm attributing to the fact everybody realized Communism was a self-destructing charade nowadays.

 

[Fatty]

Hmm, I may or may not be interested in joining this at some point in the future, being of a more criminal nature but I do have an idea for your Ex-Imperial Citizen faction. But perhaps you could progressively push for full annexation of the former Imperial Territory (which would be met with lots of friction and debate due to the cold war with the Mandalorians that may or may not actually still be a thing, but might start it up again). It would be a symbol of Imperial Pride, that the Republic is obligated to deal with since they'd rather not deal with rebellions much like the USA after conquering the CSA allowed them to erect statues of their heroes in the war. We could also make an emphasis on what daily life was like under Imperial rule, and spin a positive light on the often psychotic dictatorships that ruled over them.

 

[Alice Red]

Annexation of all former Imperial Territory is one of the things I wish to achieve. Even if the Empire would never rise again in our lifetimes, citizens of the Empire should not be separated by borders, nor thrown against in each in the wars ensuing between the Sith, Republic, Mandos, and whoever else gets their hands on our planets.

The least we can do, is be united under one common banner and fight together, not pit brother against brother.

One of the other things I wish to experiment with is also the spin on the daily life of Imperials through the use of blogs written as books. I have plans to have a section of the faction for Imperialist and Fascism literature, as well as news snippets and gazettes regarding Imperial citizens, their struggles, and the advancement of the party, all through the form of blogs. Granted, a lot of it would end up as propaganda, but I would love to write regarding ordinary life from a historian point of view as well.

 

[Avicus DuSang]

@Jathin Fallin

I'm attributing to the fact everybody realized Communism was a self-destructing charade nowadays.

Whoa. Whoa!!

Communism, in the form written out in the Communist Manifesto, has never truly been attempted as a legitimate government.

To be fair, Marx never really considered the human condition. As Palpatine said, those in power fear only one thing; losing that power. So, the concept of Utopian Communism is a near impossibility to obtain. But, if done right, it has potential. No unemployment or homelessness. State regulated companies so monopolies are a rarity. As is corporate greed. And, in time, the government retains less and less power and the people gain more and more power.

Until the concept of Utopian Communism takes place where the government is non-existent and the people are left to govern the nation.

 

[Alice Red]

[member="Avicus DuSang"]

I agree that Communism has never been implemented word for word, but the problem with Communism is that it cannot survive on a large scale as it was tested in the Eastern Bloc, China, or North Korea. Communism would best be applied in the same situation as Greek direct democracy is, small and tightly knit communities, where not one man is above other when it comes to politics and the view of each and every person is listened to.

I like certain facets of Communism, but most of this same principles can be found in other ideologies such as fascism and national socialism while the latter also maintains economic principles I support, such as the right to private property. At the end of the day tho', no real political ideology has been tested in modern day, it's nearly impossible. We just select the one that is less prone to being destroyed the larger the population gets.

Also, you reminded me of this.

http://s28.postimg.org/91myizw59/1385714988126.jpg

 

[Avicus DuSang]

This is very true, [member="Alice Red"]. You make very sound counterpoints. ^_^

 

[Alice Red]

Unfortunately, I know very little of Communist manifesto and dogma, so I can't offer the most engaging discussion past a few talk points. I never bothered studying it much for my distaste of it due to coming from behind the Iron Curtain and the fact that most people who support communist online are generally preppy college kids that never heard of Marx or read any actual literature, and generally consider Che Guevara a freedom fighter to be followed and other silly nonsense.

It's good to know there are still people like you that bother documenting it and admitting some of it's actual flaws such as human nature. [member="Avicus DuSang"]

And I'll use this as an opportunity to bump the thread and ask again if anybody might be interested in this, if you don't mind.

 

[Fatty]

As all can see this character is a rather business orientated fellow. Would it be wrong to assume that due to the fascist influence of the party, that not only ex-imperials would be benefiting of this party but businesses as well? Could one say, with a history of crime be able to make people forget about that via donations and the like, along with selling products at lower prices for the Republic?

 

[Alice Red]

There is no inherit distaste for corporations and the like in the route I am taking this party, so your assumption is, technically, correct. Small and upcoming business situated in Imperial Space, operated and worked at by Imperials, would get a higher priority than conglomerates as far as aid is concerned, but that does not mean big corporations will be ignored or attacked. As long as they operate within Imperial space, and by extension employ Imperial citizens for their jobs, offer fair wages and keep in mind the workers rights, the corporations rights will be respected and their voices heard in politics.

While the main goal is to become self-sustainable to some degree, imports from outside Imperial area will be not be outlawed and criminalized, but there will be tariffs in place to keep local business from being driven out without a fight by the competition. Some of the aid offered to said small business would be the state taking on a purchase of the price for an item in an attempt to help them grow and survive in the beginning by making their products more accessible. As well, if a big business were to focus their entire operation in Imperial space, or only sell Imperial made products in Imperial space, then they wouldn't suffer from said tariffs.

The most important thing to note here, I believe, is that any kind of business is allowed to operate as long as they work for the betterment of the citizens and the state, and not purely for their profits. As for your criminal background, the party does not support crime syndicates, but we will not go out of our way to go on a crusade through the galaxy to eliminate them. As well, there is a forgiveness policy in place, for the lack of better words. As long as you aid imperial citizens and allow them the opportunity to better their life and social standing, past crimes can be swept under the rug. Donations help as well, that's a given, but there are restrictions as to who we wish to affiliate with.

I apologize if I'm not making much sense, the heat is getting to me.

[member="Fatty"]

 

[Gar'Hal Velasura]

I wish you luck in this venture, and as long as the Republic (and from there the galaxy) benefits you have my support!

 

[Alice Red]

Thank you. Unfortunately, guess there isn't much interest in something like this. Ah well, it will make it a bit harder to do solo of sorts, but I'll still attempt something along this lines for fun.

 

[Gar'Hal Velasura]

Well originally I was planning on making an Imperial character, but the lack of activity for such put me off the idea. I could whip up that character and maybe you could eventually get enough people interested through your work to get it going.

 

[Geneviève Lasedri]

Don't give up, [member="Alice Red"]! I met little support and a lot of criticism when I proposed my version of the Rebel Alliance. But I started the faction anyway, and with patience and a little bit of shameless advertising, the faction has expanded from just lonely me to quite a few resilient writers.

I like this faction idea, and I wish you good luck with all sincerity.

 

[Alice Red]

[member="Gar'Hal Velasura"]

I do not want to force you to do this, nor make you do it out of pity. The choice is yours at the end of the day, if you like the idea or not.

[member="Geneviève Lasedri"]

I do not plan on giving up. I am going to continue this whole Imperial political shtick, that's for certain. Love the idea too much. Regardless, you have my thanks.

 

[Fatty]

I'm likened to the idea, there just needs to be persistence. No need to go solo if you have at least one supporter tootin' you're horn.

Though I have a question, what is this parties views on the Mandalorians? They had been in the Empire's theater of war for a long time, and it seems the Republic has at least formerly engaged in a sort of, cold war with them. Or how about the New Order? Are we sympathizers to their cause or do we see them as radicals trying to call up a dead beaten horse?

 

[Gar'Hal Velasura]

[member="Gar'Hal Velasura"]

I do not want to force you to do this, nor make you do it out of pity. The choice is yours at the end of the day, if you like the idea or not.

[member="Geneviève Lasedri"]

I do not plan on giving up. I am going to continue this whole Imperial political shtick, that's for certain. Love the idea too much. Regardless, you have my thanks.

As I've said before it's definitely an interesting idea, and believe me I've been formulating a possible character to go with it since you brought it up on the Republic forums. Hope you don't mind having a bit of a jerk on your side of the ring though.

 

[Alice Red]

[member="Fatty"]

Persistence I shall try and have, is the least I can promise.

As to answer your question, it's true that the Mandalorians and the Empire have had their quarrels in the past, and the former are currently having their issues to the Republic, but for the short term plan they are relatively inconsequential. As long as they do not threaten Imperial citizens or planets, they pose less of an interest than The Sith Order and the Fringe, factions that have former Imperial territory under their grasp. The main short term goal is attempt at unification of all Imperial planets under one banner and betterment of their citizens, through war if necessary. As for the long term, it all depends on what hand fate plays for us.

The New Order, while I have to admit I'm not that familiar with unfortunately, I see as nothing more but a conglomeration of Sith trying to use past glory and patriotism to bring themselves to power above all else. I am neither fond of the Sith for his general willingness to backstab and cheat, but neither of the Jedi for their holier-than-thou and hypocrisy. This is a more personal view on force users, not necessarily that of the party.

[member="Gar'Hal Velasura"]

It wouldn't be politics if everybody was nice and polite to each other.