Ryan Korr said:
Additionally, this is non responsive to the fact that in the most recent skirmish people are being crucified. Simply stating without warrant that it is not relevant does not actually address the issue, nor actually mean that it is, in fact, not relevant.
Sorry, what I meant was that since it was not a sanctioned action by the First Order, hanging it around our necks is disingenuous, most notably because ICly it has been -- what, hours? -- since the events happened. In a warzone. The First Order proper has not had time to be informed of the actions, let alone respond to them. Optics is one thing, and propaganda and the rest, but tying these actions morally to the First Order is premature. In an IC sense, when we become aware of the crucifixions there will be consequences. That there haven't been any yet is a result of my distaste for metagaming and shouldn't be seen as an official or unofficial condoning. Besides, between crucifixions, artillery strikes, force-storms, etc. none of us are coming out of this with clean hands -- which is part of the larger point. The FO has always been nuanced -- fascist, yes, but not
stupid evil like villains in the movies.
Since Kaeshana is ongoing I would suggest leaving aside the actions from there; they clearly have not informed opinions on the First Order because the posts in it show that the FO was viewed as evil incarnate at the beginning (I believe I read the term "Space Nazis" in at least one post which, as a Jew, was a particularly delightful label to have applied to me
). Besides, I'm not comfortable muddying the pool while the rebellion is ongoing and hasn't been judged. I'm perfectly willing to put our record up against anyone's where Kaeshana is concerned once it has been concluded, just for the purposes of discussion
At any rate, like you, I'm not really meaning to come off as harsh and I apologize if I am. I enjoy a vigorous debate. And the great thing about roleplaying in the Star Wars universe is that we get to get more detailed and granular than the films. The reason why I'm loathe to judge people based on the 'identity' they take from the film (i.e. Jedi, roguish smuggler, Alderaanian royalty, Sith) is that a film is usually around two hours long and because of the time restraints, doesn't allow for anything but broad strokes. The Rebel Alliance are the heroes, they're ragtag and colorful; the Empire is evil, they've got big, angular ships and stormtroopers. Until Rogue One, the ambiguity of the galaxy wasn't really explored in the films, and I think that was by design. The joy of roleplaying is that you can play good guys who, judged in a vacuum, aren't all that good, or you can play bad guys who, taken in context, aren't all that bad. A two hour movie
needs black and white in order to save time. A roleplay, with factions that can be around for
years, gives more time to develop the grey.
Anyway, I think what [member="Carlyle Rausgeber"] is trying to accomplish here, is to get an idea for what the impression was and why that was the impression. I may not think it's fair to base an understanding of the work of dozens of writers for nearly a year on a movie where they are rather unsympathetically labeled "The Villains" but if that's the view, that's the view. Recently we've been discussing among ourselves what we are all about and whether we should take a role as villains in the absence of others or even just as a natural evolution. When he pitched the idea, it was not (and I believe still is not) intended to antagonize, just to get some discussion going.
Then [member="Darth Carnifex"] happened
(jk bruh)
Anyway, if we're going to get the hit for being genocidal murderers, we might as well -- you know -- genocide some stuff. Do you know how difficult it was to stop my guys genociding the Ewoks when we took Endor? They
really wanted to wipe out the Ewoks -- can't imagine why.
